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You realize that ads are pay per view. Rather than cash its attention and eyeballs. It's an arbitrage one can win if smart.

thfuran 3y ago
No, they're a third party fucking everything up. The person watching the stream should pay the streaming service.
- zer00eyz 3y ago
  Right: Netflix is an all you can eat buffet... It's cheap and the food is half assed at best. Every now and again the come out with something good but your gonna eat a lot of mediocre to get your moneys worth. I can pay Amazon or a theater to watch ONLY what I want to see. I pick it I pay for it. If it sucks I'm out 3-6 bucks for a rental or 15+ for a theater. Unlike a restaurant, you're never getting a refund or a freebee if the content is bad. Or I can watch something like tubi. Where I don't have a true profile... I get to watch ads' to watch content. IM trading a bit of my attention for not pre paying for the hope of good content and being able to abandon something if it is bad with a minimum of loss. Give me a streaming service with a reasonable amount of ad's and give me a micro transaction to skip them when I really want to...
andsoitis 3y ago
> You realize that ads are pay per view. Fun quip but not a sophisticated view on business models. The big categories include: AVOD (advertising subscription on demand) is a different business model from SVOD (subscription video on demand) is different from TVOD (transactional video on demand). There are 3 kinds of TVOD: * Pay-Per-View (charge viewer every time you watch) * Download-to-Rent (access title for limited time) * Electronic-sell-through (one time fee for unlimited access) Some business start with one simple model but embrace some hybrid for different content types or to reach a more diverse customer base.
- zer00eyz 3y ago
  * Pay-Per-View (charge viewer every time you watch) If I pay 99 cents to watch a movie once that's Pay Per View. Are you making the argument that me sitting through ads for 99 cents worth of value to the streamer is different than a direct transaction? The money per stream is still changing hands, Be it from my hands or an advertisers to the streamer and then the content producer. Because of modern profiling you could make the argument that the no sign up services are tracking who watches what at a household level (shadow subscriptions). But that does not change the fact that in a pure ad based model If I dont watch no one gets paid... Regardless of who is paying for the view, myself to streaming service, an andversiser or sponsor, me to a theater... if the product isnt quality no money changes hands. This is in direct contrast to streaming service where the ideal customer pays and does not watch (or watches the minimum)... where consumption reduces profit.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    >Are you making the argument that me sitting through ads for 99 cents worth of value to the streamer is different than a direct transaction? Are you seriously trying to argue that it isn't? You're basically arguing that making waffles at home is exactly the same thing as getting pancakes from IHOP because the farmers get paid either way, never mind that the meal isn't actually the same and neither are the parties involved.
    - zer00eyz 3y ago
      If you pay $5 or $2 to watch a film and I choose to pick the no money ad version what IS the distinction. Nothing really if we both enjoy the content. If it sucks however we both have choices. I move on to the next thing and enjoy it. IF you move on, then you're paying again, if you stay your funding shitty content and wasting time.
      - IshKebab 3y ago
        I think you're misunderstanding - when they say "pay per view" they mean the consumer pays with real money, not attention. Yes the producer is paid per view. They're the same from that point of view. But that doesn't make them the same. The most important differences are: * pay per view doesn't have advertisers to satisfy * people's time is worth much more to advertisers than it is to the average viewer. People are only going to pay cash for things they really specifically want to watch (e.g. Game of Thrones), not channel hopping trash (24 hours in A&E) - but they'll happily watch adverts for the trash.

thfuran 3y ago

No, they're a third party fucking everything up. The person watching the stream should pay the streaming service.

zer00eyz 3y ago
Right: Netflix is an all you can eat buffet... It's cheap and the food is half assed at best. Every now and again the come out with something good but your gonna eat a lot of mediocre to get your moneys worth. I can pay Amazon or a theater to watch ONLY what I want to see. I pick it I pay for it. If it sucks I'm out 3-6 bucks for a rental or 15+ for a theater. Unlike a restaurant, you're never getting a refund or a freebee if the content is bad. Or I can watch something like tubi. Where I don't have a true profile... I get to watch ads' to watch content. IM trading a bit of my attention for not pre paying for the hope of good content and being able to abandon something if it is bad with a minimum of loss. Give me a streaming service with a reasonable amount of ad's and give me a micro transaction to skip them when I really want to...

andsoitis 3y ago

> You realize that ads are pay per view. Fun quip but not a sophisticated view on business models. The big categories include: AVOD (advertising subscription on demand) is a different business model from SVOD (subscription video on demand) is different from TVOD (transactional video on demand). There are 3 kinds of TVOD: * Pay-Per-View (charge viewer every time you watch) * Download-to-Rent (access title for limited time) * Electronic-sell-through (one time fee for unlimited access) Some business start with one simple model but embrace some hybrid for different content types or to reach a more diverse customer base.

zer00eyz 3y ago
* Pay-Per-View (charge viewer every time you watch) If I pay 99 cents to watch a movie once that's Pay Per View. Are you making the argument that me sitting through ads for 99 cents worth of value to the streamer is different than a direct transaction? The money per stream is still changing hands, Be it from my hands or an advertisers to the streamer and then the content producer. Because of modern profiling you could make the argument that the no sign up services are tracking who watches what at a household level (shadow subscriptions). But that does not change the fact that in a pure ad based model If I dont watch no one gets paid... Regardless of who is paying for the view, myself to streaming service, an andversiser or sponsor, me to a theater... if the product isnt quality no money changes hands. This is in direct contrast to streaming service where the ideal customer pays and does not watch (or watches the minimum)... where consumption reduces profit.
- thfuran 3y ago
  >Are you making the argument that me sitting through ads for 99 cents worth of value to the streamer is different than a direct transaction? Are you seriously trying to argue that it isn't? You're basically arguing that making waffles at home is exactly the same thing as getting pancakes from IHOP because the farmers get paid either way, never mind that the meal isn't actually the same and neither are the parties involved.
  - zer00eyz 3y ago
    If you pay $5 or $2 to watch a film and I choose to pick the no money ad version what IS the distinction. Nothing really if we both enjoy the content. If it sucks however we both have choices. I move on to the next thing and enjoy it. IF you move on, then you're paying again, if you stay your funding shitty content and wasting time.
    - IshKebab 3y ago
      I think you're misunderstanding - when they say "pay per view" they mean the consumer pays with real money, not attention. Yes the producer is paid per view. They're the same from that point of view. But that doesn't make them the same. The most important differences are: * pay per view doesn't have advertisers to satisfy * people's time is worth much more to advertisers than it is to the average viewer. People are only going to pay cash for things they really specifically want to watch (e.g. Game of Thrones), not channel hopping trash (24 hours in A&E) - but they'll happily watch adverts for the trash.