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“Thanks to Apple”? The original iPad was a 32 bit A8 single core CPU that topped out as 1Ghz and with 256MB Ram and used the ARMv7 instruction set. How do you

“Thanks to Apple”? The original iPad was a 32 bit A8 single core CPU that topped out as 1Ghz and with 256MB Ram and used the ARMv7 instruction set. How do you expect a modern day OS with requirements to deal with real world sensors, and user requirements that didn’t exist back then, to run against that? The latest iPads have 2GB Ram, are 64 bit, run multiple cores and have embedded motion coprocessors and neural capabilities running a much later instruction set. Let’s be reasonable here - that device is now about to be 14 years old. And, if “the hardware works beautifully” how is it “pretty much a brick”? iPads are not the same as laptops or desktops. Sure, you can still run some Linux distros on older 32 bit hardware, but everyone who does knows of the limitations of doing so and realize that they lack the horsepower of modern day computers and use them accordingly.

arprocter 3y ago
I used to roll my eyes at the 'Apple = planned obsolescence' thing; but on the macOS side OpenCore pretty much proves that it's true The amount of hardware that's been thrown away just because they decided it's time you bought a new Mac is insane We're about to see something similar when Windows 10 hits end of life, and everything without a TPM will get trashed
- MissTake 3y ago
  Still rocking my MBP from 2015 playing all the 32 bit games on it. I use a 2019 MBP at work which I do all my development on with JetBrains, DBeaver, Postgre Server and Podman on. And I also have a home M1 MBA which is my take anywhere device for when we need a full blown computer. Even my old iPad Pro 9.7 is in use as a monitor on my work machine. Not seeing this need to throw devices out yet just because there are newer flashier machines out there.
  - arprocter 3y ago
    Apple supports the last 3 named OS versions - anything older won't be getting security updates Which strangely means if you have an Intel Mac that Apple dropped support for, you could run Windows 10 and still be supported until next year
    - MissTake 3y ago
      Not sure your point, here. If Apple don’t release MacOS 15 for my 2019, even by your statement, I’d still be supported until mid 2026, and not have to change my OS.
ryandrake 3y ago
> “Thanks to Apple”? Yep. They are the ones that chose to end software support for the device a mere 2 years after it was released. Or did someone else make that decision? > And, if “the hardware works beautifully” how is it “pretty much a brick”? Because it only runs the pre-installed apps, and not even all of them because several of the pre-installed apps rely on non-functioning cloud services. This is the fault of 1. Apple for ending OS support, 2. Cloud services ending support for old apps, and 3. 3rd party apps ending support for old devices + Apple not allowing users to download the "latest compatible version." > iPads are not the same as laptops or desktops. Sure, you can still run some Linux distros on older 32 bit hardware, but everyone who does knows of the limitations of doing so and realize that they lack the horsepower of modern day computers and use them accordingly. That decision about accepting the limitations and trade-offs should be in the hands of end users, not the device's manufacturer. I can install a relatively recent Linux distribution on my 20 year old PC and decide for myself whether I can live with the performance.
- MissTake 3y ago
  > Yep. They are the ones that chose to end software support for the device a mere 2 years after it was released. Or did someone else make that decision? You’re totally correct - and there seemed be be few changes in iOS 6 that necessitated that move. That said, getting it above iOS 11 was never going to happen given the architecture change. >That decision about accepting the limitations and trade-offs should be in the hands of end users, not the device's manufacturer. I can install a relatively recent Linux distribution on my 20 year old PC and decide for myself whether I can live with the performance. iPad users are not even remotely in the same group as Linux users. As a Linux user using old hardware you are making an educated decision to do so, knowing all the pitfalls. Your average iPad user just wants the thing to run at speeds comparable to current devices and with minimal loss of functionality. An iPad is not a full blown computer like a modern day laptop is. I used to be an Android girl. I owned an original Xoom and later on, a Nexus 7. They were both unusable within a few years because the needs of the OS was greater than the devices could handle: and that’s even after I rooted them both and upgraded to the latest Cyanogen versions at the time.
- bdlowery 3y ago

arprocter 3y ago

I used to roll my eyes at the 'Apple = planned obsolescence' thing; but on the macOS side OpenCore pretty much proves that it's true The amount of hardware that's been thrown away just because they decided it's time you bought a new Mac is insane We're about to see something similar when Windows 10 hits end of life, and everything without a TPM will get trashed

MissTake 3y ago
Still rocking my MBP from 2015 playing all the 32 bit games on it. I use a 2019 MBP at work which I do all my development on with JetBrains, DBeaver, Postgre Server and Podman on. And I also have a home M1 MBA which is my take anywhere device for when we need a full blown computer. Even my old iPad Pro 9.7 is in use as a monitor on my work machine. Not seeing this need to throw devices out yet just because there are newer flashier machines out there.
- arprocter 3y ago
  Apple supports the last 3 named OS versions - anything older won't be getting security updates Which strangely means if you have an Intel Mac that Apple dropped support for, you could run Windows 10 and still be supported until next year
  - MissTake 3y ago
    Not sure your point, here. If Apple don’t release MacOS 15 for my 2019, even by your statement, I’d still be supported until mid 2026, and not have to change my OS.

ryandrake 3y ago

> “Thanks to Apple”? Yep. They are the ones that chose to end software support for the device a mere 2 years after it was released. Or did someone else make that decision? > And, if “the hardware works beautifully” how is it “pretty much a brick”? Because it only runs the pre-installed apps, and not even all of them because several of the pre-installed apps rely on non-functioning cloud services. This is the fault of 1. Apple for ending OS support, 2. Cloud services ending support for old apps, and 3. 3rd party apps ending support for old devices + Apple not allowing users to download the "latest compatible version." > iPads are not the same as laptops or desktops. Sure, you can still run some Linux distros on older 32 bit hardware, but everyone who does knows of the limitations of doing so and realize that they lack the horsepower of modern day computers and use them accordingly. That decision about accepting the limitations and trade-offs should be in the hands of end users, not the device's manufacturer. I can install a relatively recent Linux distribution on my 20 year old PC and decide for myself whether I can live with the performance.

MissTake 3y ago
> Yep. They are the ones that chose to end software support for the device a mere 2 years after it was released. Or did someone else make that decision? You’re totally correct - and there seemed be be few changes in iOS 6 that necessitated that move. That said, getting it above iOS 11 was never going to happen given the architecture change. >That decision about accepting the limitations and trade-offs should be in the hands of end users, not the device's manufacturer. I can install a relatively recent Linux distribution on my 20 year old PC and decide for myself whether I can live with the performance. iPad users are not even remotely in the same group as Linux users. As a Linux user using old hardware you are making an educated decision to do so, knowing all the pitfalls. Your average iPad user just wants the thing to run at speeds comparable to current devices and with minimal loss of functionality. An iPad is not a full blown computer like a modern day laptop is. I used to be an Android girl. I owned an original Xoom and later on, a Nexus 7. They were both unusable within a few years because the needs of the OS was greater than the devices could handle: and that’s even after I rooted them both and upgraded to the latest Cyanogen versions at the time.
bdlowery 3y ago