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This is wildly inappropriate in a professional setting. As a woman reading that, I'm shocked. For a woman hoping to get into tech, comments like that made by au

by _zn8u 3y ago

This is wildly inappropriate in a professional setting. As a woman reading that, I'm shocked. For a woman hoping to get into tech, comments like that made by authority figures just reinforce prior beliefs about how hostile our field can be to women. I'm glad the professor apologized, at least.

cyanydeez 3y ago
Half of HN is exactly this'
- kys_now 3y ago
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dotcoma 3y ago
EECS = electrical engineering and computer science? I don’t think the professor was saying anything regarding the fact that women cannot do well in the field, not at all. That would have been terrible, I agree.
- _zn8u 3y ago
  Yes, that's the name of Berkeley's department. If you're from a minority group in an area, it is _extremely_ unpleasant to hear yourself being talked about as if you're the object of a tactical military operation. "Artillery distance", really. Agree that if he'd said that women can't do well in the field, that would be much worse.
  - dotcoma 3y ago
    I don’t think the professor was talking about his female students, but rather about the average woman in the Bay Area (but I don’t know for sure, of course). Artillery distance just means 100 miles or something like that. I agree that saying “keep 100 miles from the Bay Area” would have sounded better, but I don’t think it’s that important (again, just how I read it).
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
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    - _zn8u 3y ago
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      - leereeves 3y ago
        This is pretty typical. When men express how they feel, they get attacked. In an inclusive society with room for many perspectives, some things you hear might make you uncomfortable. It stops being inclusive when you "more actively chase their authors away".
  - nec4b 3y ago
    You are not a minority for being a women. There is more women on earth than men.
    - __blockcipher__ 3y ago
      Doubly so in the bay area
nailer 3y ago
> This is wildly inappropriate in a professional setting. Old (and incorrect): the student explicitly asked the professor for dating advice. Updated: the student sought advice for what to do with life after school. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fm4uionhfkcpc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1652%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dad28af78349b8a5acb22c2c569cdc8bb98349328 https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....
- _zn8u 3y ago
  From what I've found [1] the OP asked for ideas on what to do after they graduate, not dating advice. Then, a commenter started off responding but quickly switched into dumping their emotions about how they can't get a girlfriend. That commenter also did not ask for advice. The professor then replied to this commenter, not the OP, with his thought about how women in "artillery distance" of the bay area have stark behavior differences. Some of those women he was talking about were, presumably, his own students. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/berkeley/comments/1bitr75/another_day_in_berkeley_eecs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/berkeley/comments/1bitr75/another_d... edit to add: A model response from a professor who did want to weigh in on this might be something like "Stop thinking about life in terms of looking for a girlfriend, and start meeting new people and forming relationships with them, some of which may turn romantic." The student's attitude is just not a healthy way to go about life, and the general demeanor they have (that kind of response to a job-advice post) is not conducive to actually forming healthy relationships.
  - nailer 3y ago
    > the OP asked for ideas on what to do after they graduate, not dating advice. Here is the student asking: “ Currently the only drive that makes me still want to try my best and fight for my future is knowing that getting a gf is even harder, like fr. I only know 4 girls (not counting the ones that are virtual or expired due to haven't talked to them for too long), 2 of them their parents know my parents so I can't do anything. One of them friendzoned + not interested, one of them about to expire cuz haven't talked since last month. I know for sure I'm not getting a gf at least till I graduate, 100% sure. For getting a job right after 1 graduate, I know it's still somewhat possible at this stage, as long as I try my absolute best not to get distracted too much, plan my days and use all possible time allowed, seek help when needed, and not get affected too much by anxieties and negative emotions.” Full post: https://twitter.com/oliverjohansson/status/1770215024478548230/photo/1 https://twitter.com/oliverjohansson/status/17702150244785482...
Brian_K_White 3y ago
If I had a nickle for even half the times I heard women saying how annoying or generally shitty men are in profesional settings... It never ocurred to me to make a case out of it. What a missed opportunity.
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satisfice 3y ago
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dissent 3y ago
I think his words were ill advised and he was likely to get in trouble for them. But, as a woman, I don't think you ought to be offended. His point is in your favour. He is saying there are too few women in the area and the industry which puts pressure on the behaviour of both sexes. This says nothing derogatory about women, unless you are primed to look for it.
nec4b 3y ago
Well good thing it wasn't a professional setting then, but only a class discussion. Really it's hostile to point out that Silicon valley is not a good place to find a partner?

by _zn8u 3y ago

cyanydeez 3y ago

Half of HN is exactly this'

kys_now 3y ago
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dotcoma 3y ago

EECS = electrical engineering and computer science? I don’t think the professor was saying anything regarding the fact that women cannot do well in the field, not at all. That would have been terrible, I agree.

_zn8u 3y ago
Yes, that's the name of Berkeley's department. If you're from a minority group in an area, it is _extremely_ unpleasant to hear yourself being talked about as if you're the object of a tactical military operation. "Artillery distance", really. Agree that if he'd said that women can't do well in the field, that would be much worse.
- dotcoma 3y ago
  I don’t think the professor was talking about his female students, but rather about the average woman in the Bay Area (but I don’t know for sure, of course). Artillery distance just means 100 miles or something like that. I agree that saying “keep 100 miles from the Bay Area” would have sounded better, but I don’t think it’s that important (again, just how I read it).
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
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  - _zn8u 3y ago
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    - leereeves 3y ago
      This is pretty typical. When men express how they feel, they get attacked. In an inclusive society with room for many perspectives, some things you hear might make you uncomfortable. It stops being inclusive when you "more actively chase their authors away".
- nec4b 3y ago
  You are not a minority for being a women. There is more women on earth than men.
  - __blockcipher__ 3y ago
    Doubly so in the bay area

nailer 3y ago

> This is wildly inappropriate in a professional setting. Old (and incorrect): the student explicitly asked the professor for dating advice. Updated: the student sought advice for what to do with life after school. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fm4uionhfkcpc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1652%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dad28af78349b8a5acb22c2c569cdc8bb98349328 https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd....

_zn8u 3y ago
From what I've found [1] the OP asked for ideas on what to do after they graduate, not dating advice. Then, a commenter started off responding but quickly switched into dumping their emotions about how they can't get a girlfriend. That commenter also did not ask for advice. The professor then replied to this commenter, not the OP, with his thought about how women in "artillery distance" of the bay area have stark behavior differences. Some of those women he was talking about were, presumably, his own students. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/berkeley/comments/1bitr75/another_day_in_berkeley_eecs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/berkeley/comments/1bitr75/another_d... edit to add: A model response from a professor who did want to weigh in on this might be something like "Stop thinking about life in terms of looking for a girlfriend, and start meeting new people and forming relationships with them, some of which may turn romantic." The student's attitude is just not a healthy way to go about life, and the general demeanor they have (that kind of response to a job-advice post) is not conducive to actually forming healthy relationships.
- nailer 3y ago
  > the OP asked for ideas on what to do after they graduate, not dating advice. Here is the student asking: “ Currently the only drive that makes me still want to try my best and fight for my future is knowing that getting a gf is even harder, like fr. I only know 4 girls (not counting the ones that are virtual or expired due to haven't talked to them for too long), 2 of them their parents know my parents so I can't do anything. One of them friendzoned + not interested, one of them about to expire cuz haven't talked since last month. I know for sure I'm not getting a gf at least till I graduate, 100% sure. For getting a job right after 1 graduate, I know it's still somewhat possible at this stage, as long as I try my absolute best not to get distracted too much, plan my days and use all possible time allowed, seek help when needed, and not get affected too much by anxieties and negative emotions.” Full post: https://twitter.com/oliverjohansson/status/1770215024478548230/photo/1 https://twitter.com/oliverjohansson/status/17702150244785482...

Brian_K_White 3y ago

If I had a nickle for even half the times I heard women saying how annoying or generally shitty men are in profesional settings... It never ocurred to me to make a case out of it. What a missed opportunity.

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satisfice 3y ago

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dissent 3y ago

I think his words were ill advised and he was likely to get in trouble for them. But, as a woman, I don't think you ought to be offended. His point is in your favour. He is saying there are too few women in the area and the industry which puts pressure on the behaviour of both sexes. This says nothing derogatory about women, unless you are primed to look for it.

nec4b 3y ago

Well good thing it wasn't a professional setting then, but only a class discussion. Really it's hostile to point out that Silicon valley is not a good place to find a partner?