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Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet

76 points by rapnie 3y ago

barbazoo 3y ago
That mastodon instance does not seem to be ready for HN
- reaperman 3y ago
  Works fine for me, 10 minutes after this was posted. I'm not sure if this thread unrolled caches responses or not, but if it does maybe those who can't get through can read it here. https://mastoreader.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.lawprofs.org%2F%40jtlg%2F112052299948819084 https://mastoreader.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.lawprofs.... or https://unroller.zachmanson.com/tree/https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@jtlg/112052299948819084/ https://unroller.zachmanson.com/tree/https://mastodon.lawpro...
jacooper 3y ago
Hugged?
AlienRobot 3y ago
It seems the site is down so I typed cache:https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@jtlg/112052299948819084 https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@jtlg/112052299948819084 on Google and checked the text version. Here's what it says: >To use the Mastodon web application, please enable JavaScript. Alternatively, try one of the native apps for Mastodon for your platform. That's very grim indeed.
- jbm 3y ago
  I managed to connect. I don't know how much I can copy, since it's quite a long thread, but here is the first message. > Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet. > In the last few months, the constant flood of algorithmically generated junk content has kicked into an AI-powered overdrive, and it is cutting a swath of destruction as it overwhelms search engines, filters, and moderation systems > Call it Gresham's Law 2.0: bad content drives out good. > I'm starting this thread to document it, because there is a lot happening all at once. > #greshamslaw20
  - AlienRobot 3y ago
    With everything in consideration, I think the real problem are incentives. When human-created content competes and loses against AI-generated spam, the system is ill-designed. This is the culmination of algorithms that have rewarded engagement over everything else. Creator platforms look at content made by experts that are high quality and take time to make and effort to consume, and judge it worse than trashy content full of controversial drama pushed every week without research or effort based on arbitrary metrics. Now we've reached the point where the creator is unnecessary and all that matters is engagement. Creator-less engagement will be the future of the web. A technology that triumphed by connecting people around the world will die connecting you with nobody but an AI that acts as wall and filter between you and the rest of the world.
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MichaelRo 3y ago
>> In the last few months, the constant flood of algorithmically generated junk content has kicked into an AI-powered overdrive, and it is cutting a swath of destruction as it overwhelms search engines, filters, and moderation systems Nothing that wasn't happening already since some 15 years or so.
- squidsoup 3y ago
  I think you are massively underestimating how quickly AI generated content is going to dominate the web. This is something new.
  - squigz 3y ago
    I don't know. People have been saying quite confidently that "AI" is "going to" "take over" the web since ChatGPT was announced. I live online and my only exposure to AI-generated content (that I recognize, of course, but that's another discussion) has been on purpose - when I look for it, use it myself, or others share what they're doing with it. I guess I'm still waiting for it to take over? I think what people mean by "the web" is really just the 4-5 large social media sites. Those have been utterly filled with spam/scam/fraud for many years, so I fail to see a difference.
    - krapp 3y ago
      >I think what people mean by "the web" is really just the 4-5 large social media sites. Those have been utterly filled with spam/scam/fraud for many years, so I fail to see a difference. No, as the linked thread shows, this is happening everywhere, not just the 4-5 large social media silos. There is another completely separate thread knocking around on HN somewhere about how AI spam is filling up OpenAI's chatbot store, and it's been well documented as a problem with Google image search, Quora, Linkedin and numerous other sites. It's apparent that you yourself don't notice the problem but that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
      - squigz 3y ago
ilamont 3y ago
"Google is taking action against algorithmically generated spam. The search engine giant just announced upcoming changes, including a revamped spam policy, designed in part to keep AI clickbait out of its search results." Even before the AI floodgates were opened, there was a huge problem with ads and SEO-optimized junk written by humans clogging up Google, and pushing the good stuff into the SERP netherworld. People complained for years (including here) with no discernible improvement. It's one of the reasons HN turned into one of my go-to places for finding the good stuff - obscure blog posts and social media threads and websites that share facts, recollections, opinions, and expert insights that can't be found anywhere else. However, HN and a few other high-quality discovery sites can only go so far in surfacing such content. Now it looks like Google, Amazon, and other Lords of the Internet are going to cause further damage with inevitable false positives as "AI spam detection" is unleashed on the Internet. Of course, there will be no recourse other than victims pleading for human intervention on a forum like this or hoping it goes viral on social media.
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
  This is the opportunity old media has been waiting for. The only d tense against all this is an established name brand with some trust. Information networks will increase in value over people that are knowledgeable from aggregation of third hand sources. They'll drop the ball of course.
  - setr 3y ago
    I mean they’ve had the opportunity for years, with spam and seo, already. They just chose to join in on the party and drive any reputation they did have into the ground. Then they tried to play the reputation game again by paywalling articles, but using the dumbest mechanism of free-article-views that basically just continues to incentive seo spam from their own writers. It remains unclear to me why they haven’t adopted a model like LWN — paywall freshness instead of content altogether, and rebuild their reputation and relevance
- ornornor 3y ago
  I can’t understand why they don’t apply the same mechanism as how they filter spam out of gmail and friends: why can’t I the user block/derank/prioritize domains in a custom search results ordering? Aggregating this data at google etc scale would give a pretty good idea as to which domains are junk and eventually automatically tweak results rank this way. Isn’t it how gmail spam « detection » works (or worked?) for the most part? Kagi already does that (minus the automated part) and it’s one of their best features imho.
ChrisArchitect 3y ago
Did this collection of links warrant a post? See the many discussions about AI-infiltration and "Dead Internet Theory" around here: The AI bullshit singularity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39422528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39422528 The internet feels fake now. It's all just staged videos and marketing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39551035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39551035 X becoming a 'ghost town' of bots as AI-generated spam content floods internet https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39535310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39535310 The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38952526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38952526
araes 3y ago
Some of the articles linked, are basically issues I was already aware of (such as all product review sites are turning into copy-pasta). I at least have sympathy for the folks at: https://housefresh.com/david-vs-digital-goliaths/ https://housefresh.com/david-vs-digital-goliaths/ However, mostly Google's included comment is personally hilarious. The weird craziness some people at Google must have to deal with. > Lily Ray, 'when we told our client, they said "that's literally not going to be possible"' > Google, 'Genuinely curious, what's impossible in guidance like "discuss benefits and drawbacks based on your own research"'
- dpifke 3y ago
  I somehow missed that article when it first appeared on HN[0], thanks for linking to it! Surprised to "^F FTC" the article and comments, and not find any mention of the Federal Trade Commission. Given some of their prior rulemaking and caselaw around fake reviews and undisclosed compensation for endorsements, it seems the sort of thing that could be easily be prosecuted under false advertising laws. Unfortunately, I'm inclined to believe that the decision to let dying legacy media companies get away with fraud is probably a political one. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39433451 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39433451
zachmu 3y ago
What's interesting to me is how quickly AI generated art came to be expected, unexceptional. Every random blog post has a couple AI generated images now, they are completely unremarkable and uninteresting. The novelty wore off basically instantaneously. They're just the new corporate art style.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  It’s only been a year. As SORA shows, state of the art images and videos will soon be undetectable by human eye and it’s very soon coming to proliferate every “content” you interact with.
  - neuralRiot 3y ago
    Does it really matter? AI will generate the images or video according to the introduces prompts so the creativity falls in the one entering them, you could be an excellent piano player but that doesn’t make you a composer.
  - tivert 3y ago
    >> What's interesting to me is how quickly AI generated art came to be expected, unexceptional. Every random blog post has a couple AI generated images now, they are completely unremarkable and uninteresting. The novelty wore off basically instantaneously. They're just the new corporate art style. > It’s only been a year. As SORA shows, state of the art images and videos will soon be undetectable by human eye and it’s very soon coming to proliferate every “content” you interact with. Even if the "AI" generated images will be "undetectable by human eye," they'll still be at least "completely unremarkable and uninteresting" and more likely crappy and stupid (even if all the people have the right number of fingers now). I predict the floodgate of that "AI" generated stuff will reduce the production of actually good and creative art and images and make what is produced harder to find.
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    Sora costs a fortune, like dollars per minute. It's DOA. Also when handpicked demo content shows cats sprouting and losing limbs in a 15 second clip and that's the best they got, not sure anyone has to worry about undetectable fakes, certainly not with the total lack of creativity I've seen on the image side of things.
parl_match 3y ago
For a year or two now, I've been saying this is inevitable. It's also going to heavily impact open forums like reddit and 4chan, and maybe even HN. It'll be hard to identify a spammer who posts like a normal person but occasionally leaves a comment about enjoying a product.
FrustratedMonky 3y ago
More "Enshittification". It is just happening so much faster than expected. For a little while there were studies about AI training data being poisoned by the AI generated content online. AI digesting AI. It was expected to happen 'in the future' not 'the day after tomorrow'.
polemic 3y ago
I ran into this today while searching for a way to merge channels in Slack. A google search turned up this result https://www.process.st/how-to/merge-channels-in-slack/ https://www.process.st/how-to/merge-channels-in-slack/ which describes an in-app method that does not exist. That entire website should be banned from Google.
- amluto 3y ago
  It should also be banned from AI training data sets. Good luck to anyone trying to train an AI! As far as I can tell, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 are extremely aggressive about making up features of widely used software that don’t actually exist. I lost count of how many tables and columns in MySQL’s INFORMATION_SCHEMA they made up for me yesterday, often complete with elaborate SQL commands to query them. The next generation of models will train on this crap.
  - mingus88 3y ago
    This was one of my first reactions to genAI. Sure it’s impressive now, but that’s because we trained it. The internet is going to end up like a fuzzy mpg video that keeps getting compressed every time it gets reposted somewhere new.
logtempo 3y ago
Maybe it will put emphasis on the social aspect of internet. Maybe people will be more sceptikal. by having t know your source, having small but trustworthy network based on real people... maybe that will change the shape of internet and lead to premium internet service where experts are paid to provide currated informations. does not sounds too bad tbh.
- xethos 3y ago
  I had a family dinner last week, in the Pacific North West. One topic that came up was evil government regulations that required heat pumps, with the follow-up claim being that they do not work below -5C. I cannot express the amount of shit I took for stating, un-movingly, that heat pumps work below -5C. I was shown Google search results, webpages, and was hit with professional experience from my brother, the red seal gas-fitter. I don't expect a "That's too bad" - I already know I'm right, and the US DoE agrees with me [0]. I think your comment is wrong. People don't search to find correct information, they Google to confirm pre-concieved biases and "verify" what they're already certain of. And I think computer-generated websites and answer boxes will only exacerbate the issue. [0] https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/air-source-heat-pumps https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/air-source-heat-pumps: "...air-source heat pump technology has advanced so that it now offers a legitimate space heating alternative in colder regions"
  - shiroiushi 3y ago
    I wonder how much of this heat pump argument was miscommunication. My personal experience is that heat pumps don't work worth a damn in below-freezing weather, and always need to resort to resistance ("emergency") heating, which is extremely inefficient and expensive. Of course, my experience is with frequently decades-old units, or at best whatever cheap-o unit the landlord bought, not the very latest state-of-the-art system from the best manufacturer. The other thing I've found with heat pumps is that, even when they are "heating" the air, it feels cold. The problem is they're efficiently heating the air only by a few degrees and blowing it around, but when slightly warmer-than-ambient air blows in your face, it feels cold. Gas-fired furnaces don't do this: they heat the air much, much more than ambient temperature, so it actually feels quite warm when blown in your face. (The problem here is frequently poor placement of vents, but this is common with homes and also offices.)
pieresqi 3y ago
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thiht 3y ago
For me Google Search is the big one. It has sucked for a few years, but in the last few months it’s been increasingly worse, to the point where I can’t Google anything anymore and get meaningful results. The top results (2 first pages) are systematically SEO/AI junk, and Google goes out of its way to ignore the keywords I add, even when I use natural language as we’re supposed to now. I’ve completely moved my searches to ChatGPT (general questions), Reddit (consumer opinion, pros/cons), Kagi (when I need sourced stuff) and… TikTok, which is amazing for recipes and creative stuff.
throwaway14356 3y ago
linking references is still bad SEO. The best article according to google has no links. If it was written by AI or not doesn't matter. As long as I cant check the sources it's all the same to me.

76 points by rapnie 3y ago

barbazoo 3y ago

That mastodon instance does not seem to be ready for HN

reaperman 3y ago
Works fine for me, 10 minutes after this was posted. I'm not sure if this thread unrolled caches responses or not, but if it does maybe those who can't get through can read it here. https://mastoreader.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.lawprofs.org%2F%40jtlg%2F112052299948819084 https://mastoreader.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.lawprofs.... or https://unroller.zachmanson.com/tree/https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@jtlg/112052299948819084/ https://unroller.zachmanson.com/tree/https://mastodon.lawpro...

jacooper 3y ago

Hugged?

AlienRobot 3y ago

It seems the site is down so I typed cache:https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@jtlg/112052299948819084 https://mastodon.lawprofs.org/@jtlg/112052299948819084 on Google and checked the text version. Here's what it says: >To use the Mastodon web application, please enable JavaScript. Alternatively, try one of the native apps for Mastodon for your platform. That's very grim indeed.

jbm 3y ago
I managed to connect. I don't know how much I can copy, since it's quite a long thread, but here is the first message. > Something exceptionally grim is happening on the Internet. > In the last few months, the constant flood of algorithmically generated junk content has kicked into an AI-powered overdrive, and it is cutting a swath of destruction as it overwhelms search engines, filters, and moderation systems > Call it Gresham's Law 2.0: bad content drives out good. > I'm starting this thread to document it, because there is a lot happening all at once. > #greshamslaw20
- AlienRobot 3y ago
  With everything in consideration, I think the real problem are incentives. When human-created content competes and loses against AI-generated spam, the system is ill-designed. This is the culmination of algorithms that have rewarded engagement over everything else. Creator platforms look at content made by experts that are high quality and take time to make and effort to consume, and judge it worse than trashy content full of controversial drama pushed every week without research or effort based on arbitrary metrics. Now we've reached the point where the creator is unnecessary and all that matters is engagement. Creator-less engagement will be the future of the web. A technology that triumphed by connecting people around the world will die connecting you with nobody but an AI that acts as wall and filter between you and the rest of the world.

deleted 3y ago

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MichaelRo 3y ago

>> In the last few months, the constant flood of algorithmically generated junk content has kicked into an AI-powered overdrive, and it is cutting a swath of destruction as it overwhelms search engines, filters, and moderation systems Nothing that wasn't happening already since some 15 years or so.

squidsoup 3y ago
I think you are massively underestimating how quickly AI generated content is going to dominate the web. This is something new.
- squigz 3y ago
  I don't know. People have been saying quite confidently that "AI" is "going to" "take over" the web since ChatGPT was announced. I live online and my only exposure to AI-generated content (that I recognize, of course, but that's another discussion) has been on purpose - when I look for it, use it myself, or others share what they're doing with it. I guess I'm still waiting for it to take over? I think what people mean by "the web" is really just the 4-5 large social media sites. Those have been utterly filled with spam/scam/fraud for many years, so I fail to see a difference.
  - krapp 3y ago
    >I think what people mean by "the web" is really just the 4-5 large social media sites. Those have been utterly filled with spam/scam/fraud for many years, so I fail to see a difference. No, as the linked thread shows, this is happening everywhere, not just the 4-5 large social media silos. There is another completely separate thread knocking around on HN somewhere about how AI spam is filling up OpenAI's chatbot store, and it's been well documented as a problem with Google image search, Quora, Linkedin and numerous other sites. It's apparent that you yourself don't notice the problem but that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
    - squigz 3y ago

ilamont 3y ago

"Google is taking action against algorithmically generated spam. The search engine giant just announced upcoming changes, including a revamped spam policy, designed in part to keep AI clickbait out of its search results." Even before the AI floodgates were opened, there was a huge problem with ads and SEO-optimized junk written by humans clogging up Google, and pushing the good stuff into the SERP netherworld. People complained for years (including here) with no discernible improvement. It's one of the reasons HN turned into one of my go-to places for finding the good stuff - obscure blog posts and social media threads and websites that share facts, recollections, opinions, and expert insights that can't be found anywhere else. However, HN and a few other high-quality discovery sites can only go so far in surfacing such content. Now it looks like Google, Amazon, and other Lords of the Internet are going to cause further damage with inevitable false positives as "AI spam detection" is unleashed on the Internet. Of course, there will be no recourse other than victims pleading for human intervention on a forum like this or hoping it goes viral on social media.

AtlasBarfed 3y ago
This is the opportunity old media has been waiting for. The only d tense against all this is an established name brand with some trust. Information networks will increase in value over people that are knowledgeable from aggregation of third hand sources. They'll drop the ball of course.
- setr 3y ago
  I mean they’ve had the opportunity for years, with spam and seo, already. They just chose to join in on the party and drive any reputation they did have into the ground. Then they tried to play the reputation game again by paywalling articles, but using the dumbest mechanism of free-article-views that basically just continues to incentive seo spam from their own writers. It remains unclear to me why they haven’t adopted a model like LWN — paywall freshness instead of content altogether, and rebuild their reputation and relevance
ornornor 3y ago
I can’t understand why they don’t apply the same mechanism as how they filter spam out of gmail and friends: why can’t I the user block/derank/prioritize domains in a custom search results ordering? Aggregating this data at google etc scale would give a pretty good idea as to which domains are junk and eventually automatically tweak results rank this way. Isn’t it how gmail spam « detection » works (or worked?) for the most part? Kagi already does that (minus the automated part) and it’s one of their best features imho.

ChrisArchitect 3y ago

Did this collection of links warrant a post? See the many discussions about AI-infiltration and "Dead Internet Theory" around here: The AI bullshit singularity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39422528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39422528 The internet feels fake now. It's all just staged videos and marketing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39551035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39551035 X becoming a 'ghost town' of bots as AI-generated spam content floods internet https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39535310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39535310 The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38952526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38952526

araes 3y ago

Some of the articles linked, are basically issues I was already aware of (such as all product review sites are turning into copy-pasta). I at least have sympathy for the folks at: https://housefresh.com/david-vs-digital-goliaths/ https://housefresh.com/david-vs-digital-goliaths/ However, mostly Google's included comment is personally hilarious. The weird craziness some people at Google must have to deal with. > Lily Ray, 'when we told our client, they said "that's literally not going to be possible"' > Google, 'Genuinely curious, what's impossible in guidance like "discuss benefits and drawbacks based on your own research"'

dpifke 3y ago
I somehow missed that article when it first appeared on HN[0], thanks for linking to it! Surprised to "^F FTC" the article and comments, and not find any mention of the Federal Trade Commission. Given some of their prior rulemaking and caselaw around fake reviews and undisclosed compensation for endorsements, it seems the sort of thing that could be easily be prosecuted under false advertising laws. Unfortunately, I'm inclined to believe that the decision to let dying legacy media companies get away with fraud is probably a political one. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39433451 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39433451

zachmu 3y ago

What's interesting to me is how quickly AI generated art came to be expected, unexceptional. Every random blog post has a couple AI generated images now, they are completely unremarkable and uninteresting. The novelty wore off basically instantaneously. They're just the new corporate art style.

reducesuffering 3y ago
It’s only been a year. As SORA shows, state of the art images and videos will soon be undetectable by human eye and it’s very soon coming to proliferate every “content” you interact with.
- neuralRiot 3y ago
  Does it really matter? AI will generate the images or video according to the introduces prompts so the creativity falls in the one entering them, you could be an excellent piano player but that doesn’t make you a composer.
- tivert 3y ago
  >> What's interesting to me is how quickly AI generated art came to be expected, unexceptional. Every random blog post has a couple AI generated images now, they are completely unremarkable and uninteresting. The novelty wore off basically instantaneously. They're just the new corporate art style. > It’s only been a year. As SORA shows, state of the art images and videos will soon be undetectable by human eye and it’s very soon coming to proliferate every “content” you interact with. Even if the "AI" generated images will be "undetectable by human eye," they'll still be at least "completely unremarkable and uninteresting" and more likely crappy and stupid (even if all the people have the right number of fingers now). I predict the floodgate of that "AI" generated stuff will reduce the production of actually good and creative art and images and make what is produced harder to find.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  Sora costs a fortune, like dollars per minute. It's DOA. Also when handpicked demo content shows cats sprouting and losing limbs in a 15 second clip and that's the best they got, not sure anyone has to worry about undetectable fakes, certainly not with the total lack of creativity I've seen on the image side of things.

parl_match 3y ago

For a year or two now, I've been saying this is inevitable. It's also going to heavily impact open forums like reddit and 4chan, and maybe even HN. It'll be hard to identify a spammer who posts like a normal person but occasionally leaves a comment about enjoying a product.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

More "Enshittification". It is just happening so much faster than expected. For a little while there were studies about AI training data being poisoned by the AI generated content online. AI digesting AI. It was expected to happen 'in the future' not 'the day after tomorrow'.

polemic 3y ago

I ran into this today while searching for a way to merge channels in Slack. A google search turned up this result https://www.process.st/how-to/merge-channels-in-slack/ https://www.process.st/how-to/merge-channels-in-slack/ which describes an in-app method that does not exist. That entire website should be banned from Google.

amluto 3y ago
It should also be banned from AI training data sets. Good luck to anyone trying to train an AI! As far as I can tell, GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 are extremely aggressive about making up features of widely used software that don’t actually exist. I lost count of how many tables and columns in MySQL’s INFORMATION_SCHEMA they made up for me yesterday, often complete with elaborate SQL commands to query them. The next generation of models will train on this crap.
- mingus88 3y ago
  This was one of my first reactions to genAI. Sure it’s impressive now, but that’s because we trained it. The internet is going to end up like a fuzzy mpg video that keeps getting compressed every time it gets reposted somewhere new.

logtempo 3y ago

Maybe it will put emphasis on the social aspect of internet. Maybe people will be more sceptikal. by having t know your source, having small but trustworthy network based on real people... maybe that will change the shape of internet and lead to premium internet service where experts are paid to provide currated informations. does not sounds too bad tbh.

xethos 3y ago
I had a family dinner last week, in the Pacific North West. One topic that came up was evil government regulations that required heat pumps, with the follow-up claim being that they do not work below -5C. I cannot express the amount of shit I took for stating, un-movingly, that heat pumps work below -5C. I was shown Google search results, webpages, and was hit with professional experience from my brother, the red seal gas-fitter. I don't expect a "That's too bad" - I already know I'm right, and the US DoE agrees with me [0]. I think your comment is wrong. People don't search to find correct information, they Google to confirm pre-concieved biases and "verify" what they're already certain of. And I think computer-generated websites and answer boxes will only exacerbate the issue. [0] https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/air-source-heat-pumps https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/air-source-heat-pumps: "...air-source heat pump technology has advanced so that it now offers a legitimate space heating alternative in colder regions"
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  I wonder how much of this heat pump argument was miscommunication. My personal experience is that heat pumps don't work worth a damn in below-freezing weather, and always need to resort to resistance ("emergency") heating, which is extremely inefficient and expensive. Of course, my experience is with frequently decades-old units, or at best whatever cheap-o unit the landlord bought, not the very latest state-of-the-art system from the best manufacturer. The other thing I've found with heat pumps is that, even when they are "heating" the air, it feels cold. The problem is they're efficiently heating the air only by a few degrees and blowing it around, but when slightly warmer-than-ambient air blows in your face, it feels cold. Gas-fired furnaces don't do this: they heat the air much, much more than ambient temperature, so it actually feels quite warm when blown in your face. (The problem here is frequently poor placement of vents, but this is common with homes and also offices.)

pieresqi 3y ago

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thiht 3y ago

For me Google Search is the big one. It has sucked for a few years, but in the last few months it’s been increasingly worse, to the point where I can’t Google anything anymore and get meaningful results. The top results (2 first pages) are systematically SEO/AI junk, and Google goes out of its way to ignore the keywords I add, even when I use natural language as we’re supposed to now. I’ve completely moved my searches to ChatGPT (general questions), Reddit (consumer opinion, pros/cons), Kagi (when I need sourced stuff) and… TikTok, which is amazing for recipes and creative stuff.

throwaway14356 3y ago

linking references is still bad SEO. The best article according to google has no links. If it was written by AI or not doesn't matter. As long as I cant check the sources it's all the same to me.