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GPT-5 might arrive this summer as a "materially better" update to ChatGPT
- vouaobrasil 3y ago"Materially better" how apt and rather poetic. All we seem to care about these days is the material.
- dartos 3y agoI mean when you pay for a tool, yeah
- rowanG077 3y agoSo when you upgrade something you don't look for it to be better? I don't understand this comment.
- thelastparadise 3y agoHe is salty and pessimistic about the future.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoYes, but more accurately, never mind the future: I am pessimistic about the present.
- vouaobrasil 3y agoSomething materially better in the sense of efficiency and short-term gain is not necessarily something better. Like the car: yes, it was faster than the horse, but now we have climate disaster. AI is another example: the upgrades are shiny but ultimately harmful.
- anonzzzies 3y agoI wonder if now we enter the predictable loop of updates that make things ‘marginally better’ for some while worse (basically the same quality but a price hike) or the same for most.
- jerpint 3y agoUntil they can figure out how to scale other modalities to the expected amount of users , Incremental increases in Text models is likely what we will be seeing for the next little bit
- ninetyninenine 3y agoCould be, but this has not been happening with openai. Their upgrades are legit. Thus There's no trendline to indicate this is what will happen..
- fifteen1506 3y agoAny news on Q* ? On a sidenote, my first thought was someone was a StarTrek fan.
- JanSt 3y agoAltman said in an interview last week with Lex Friedmann it‘s about reasoning, they are working on it, but have not yet solved the problem
- nextworddev 3y agoQ* was most likely a distraction device from the board saga
- knotthebest 3y agoMy guess too
- somewhereoutth 3y agoGiven that GPT-4 was released a year ago now, and given that GPT-4 is in many ways 'not there yet', GPT-5 will need to show a big material improvement. Anything less will signal the end of the road for LLMs.
- leroman 3y agoGPT-4 is already hugely useful. If they are able to lower the cost of GPT-4 further, say 5x or 10x that in itself would be useful and huge.
- consumer451 3y agoTangentially, I lowered my personal cost by more than 3x, and was able to share GPT-4 with my friends and family. I installed LibreChat on a Linode droplet, put $10 on my OpenAI account for API usage, and cancelled my ChatGPT subscription. Since neither I, nor my friends and family use ChatGPT a ton, I let them sign up on my server and the API costs are under $1 so far.
- infecto 3y agoI actually think this is the way. ChatGPT honestly is not that great. I would be happy to pay per token for ChatGPT and be able to have a little more control over the system messages.
- CuriouslyC 3y agoIf you regularly use GPT4 for coding this isn't so viable, it gets pricey with the amount of context you need and the default GPT4 chatbot is decent with code. The GPT API is best hit with questions that don't have a lot of setup, can leverage its excellent general knowledge, and can be answered succinctly.
- infecto 3y agoI find it pretty viable for myself. I use this kind of setup within the IDE using API keys. I will flip between 3.5 and 4. The cost of 4 is minimal compared to my time.
- bamboozled 3y agoI’m already completely bored with 4, so can’t wait to see what 5 brings.
- BadHumans 3y agoHow quickly humans seek more and more. A year ago GPT-4 was earth shattering and now people are bored with it.
- traceroute66 3y ago> A year ago GPT-4 was earth shattering No it was not, and nor were its predecessors. The only people who think GPT is "earth shattering" are rose-tinted-spectacle AI dreamers, and the world's media who love a good AI story. Anyone sensible can see that GPT is merely the latest iteration in "AI will rule the world" nonsense. It comes round every 5–10 years, I remember most of the previous hyped up iterations, this one is no different, its just the hype is sadly sticker this time round. Its still hype though.
- infecto 3y agoI work in the industry and not sure what you do but 5-10 years ago there was definitely "AI" and lots of hype in ML but the output potential was no where what it is today. GPT-4 is indeed earth shattering in what you can now automate.
- traceroute66 3y ago> GPT-4 is indeed earth shattering in what you can now automate Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Companies using AI to automate "customer service" ? I encounter that regularly in my daily life these days. Its shit. The "intellligent" robot is always a useless waste of time.
- infecto 3y agoI understand your frustration but I suspect you are interfacing with some of the older style systems and not one built on top of GPT4. I think in cases of new LLM implementations you can and should.
- mupuff1234 3y agoWhich translates to: GPT-5 / next version is an incremental update.
- SketchySeaBeast 3y agoWhich leads one to guess where we now are on this particular sigmoid.
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- traceroute66 3y agoIs this the same "materially better" that the present version gives you when you tell it the auto-generated code it produced for you is a pile of shit, and it presents you with a new version that it promises "fixes the problems", but instead introduces more. AI is and always will be supremely confident at being supremely wrong. Its the nature of the beast. Some things are just best left to real-life humans.
- epgui 3y agoI mean, it imitates humans. Have you met humans? If you want something real smart, what you need is a Casio calculator.
- bheadmaster 3y agoHumans, in isolation, also tend to be supremely confident at being supremely wrong. Having others around and hearing their criticism of our opinions is a crucial factor of converging towards the truth. Perhaps a system of mutually-criticising LLMs is what is needed to avoid confidently incorrect answers? Give them all a task to find errors in each others' outputs, and only return the output to the user when all of them agree on correctness.
- traceroute66 3y ago> Humans, in isolation, tend to also be supremely confident at being supremely wrong At least most humans will know that most modern programming languages have built-in basic math functionality. When I asked GPT-4 to write me a basic program in Go, it tried to tell me that a basic math function was not available in Go stdlib and proceeded to write some DIY horror-show of code as a substitute. On the same occasion it also took great delight in importing obsolete libraries, and using deprecated functions. And for the icing on the cake, the code it generated did not even compile ! Every time I corrected it, it returned with fresh code and a supremely confident assertion that "this fixes the problems identified". It was wrong, of course. Every, single, time. All basic errors that even a Junior programmer fresh out of school would not make.
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- gizmo 3y agoClickbait title and contradicted by the sama quote: > We’ll release in the coming months many different things. I think that’d be very cool. I think before we talk about a GPT-5-like model called that, or not called that, or a little bit worse or a little bit better than what you’d expect from a GPT-5, I think we have a lot of other important things to release first. In other words, the next OpenAI GPT update(s) WILL NOT be GPT-5. Yes, we can expect improvements (because of course) but we shouldn't expect a major leap forward in AI the next couple of months from OpenAI. When a CEO says "before we can talk about" it means "no". The language about other cool updates suggests incremental improvements or platform improvements, but not a major leap forward in terms of intelligence.
- z7 3y agoIn the latest Lex Fridman interview he said: >We will release an amazing new model this year. I don’t know what we’ll call it. And: >So part of the reason that we deploy the way we do, we call it iterative deployment, rather than go build in secret until we got all the way to GPT-5, we decided to talk about GPT-1, 2, 3, and 4. And part of the reason there is I think AI and surprise don’t go together. And also the world, people, institutions, whatever you want to call it, need time to adapt and think about these things. >We’ll release in the coming months many different things. I think that’d be very cool. I think before we talk about a GPT-5-like model called that, or not called that, or a little bit worse or a little bit better than what you’d expect from a GPT-5, I think we have a lot of other important things to release first. https://lexfridman.com/sam-altman-2-transcript https://lexfridman.com/sam-altman-2-transcript
- throwaway4aday 3y agoFrom the phrasing of the second quote it seems like GPT-5 might be synonymous with their conception of AGI or at least agentic AI. Maybe it was just bad phrasing and he was using GPT-5 as a stand in for the ultimate goal but to me at least it seems like they're holding back on it because they're still trying to get the agentic and reasoning parts right. I think I agree with his musings about Lex's reaction that maybe they aren't releasing iterations fast enough for them not to look like big leaps. I would think they'd have something by now that could at least be labeled GPT-4.5 and be deployed as an incremental improvement. Maybe now with Claude 3 Opus on the scene they'll need to ship something soon even if it isn't a huge improvement.
- causi 3y agoAny title with the word "might" isn't worth reading.
- bun_terminator 3y agoHe was on Lex podcast again? Someone please tell me what that guy has on people. The ratio of success to skill is the biggest I have ever seen in pretty much everything.
- r3d0c 3y agosycophantic softball interviews, easy pr to influence techbros