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I'm not talking about "everything". I'm talking about jobs. Your job. Is your job so generic that almost everybody in your country can do it? Because that's wha

by lucumo 3y ago

I'm not talking about "everything". I'm talking about jobs. Your job. Is your job so generic that almost everybody in your country can do it? Because that's what you would need for this to be realistic. Everybody living so close to enough jobs of the exact type they desire. Not just a job title, but the industry, the size and type of company, the salary level, the type of people, and a bunch of other things. And even if it were realistic, you'd have more choice by widening the circle anyway. Get an even better job by driving a bit.

baq 3y ago
You're so focused on driving I feel you're missing the point of designing the space so driving isn't necessary. Your axiom is 'work is far away'. But the point is it only happens if it's convenient to be far away. Design your city in a way it's convenient to be nearby and it'll be nearby. The problem is this design is completely at odds with private car ownership.
- lucumo 3y ago
  > But the point is it only happens if it's convenient to be far away. No. The point is that "work" isn't a generic thing like "supermarket". A specific job is something that needs to fit your personality. If you're the type of person that really digs working for big tech, you aren't going to find a job you enjoy in some small town. You can probably find a job maintaining the website of the local bank, but are you really going to think that's a good outcome? Hell, for big tech the jobs aren't even commutable from anywhere if you are willing to commute by car. Or helicopter. But this problem goes for loads of people in loads of jobs. If you can commute further you have more choice. More choice gives you better odds at a job you like.
  - baq 3y ago
    I completely agree, it's just there's nothing stopping those office jobs to be created next to train stations. Except there aren't enough conveniently located train stations... turns out there are in Paris and London though? Car dependence is a feature of sprawling cities. If you make your city dense, the jobs will be there. The fact that everyone has a car makes the jobs be all over the place because if employees can't commute further, the jobs will move to them. It's pure game theory. The big question is how to jump from a stable state of car dependence to a stable state of mass transit and I don't see a way to do that in general.
- jjav 3y ago
  > Design your city in a way it's convenient to be nearby and it'll be nearby. How can you possibly have every job be nearby to everyone? That's just not possible. Now factor in job changes or even career changes. Unless your primary criteria for picking a job is to have it nearby, the probability of having jobs far from home approaches 100% over time.
jimbokun 3y ago
Jobs of a given type tend to congregate in specific locations. Tech in Silicon Valley. Finance on Wall Street. Politics in DC. Entertainment in LA. So picking a geographic location based on your field and having a lot of job options is workable for a lot of occupation categories.

by lucumo 3y ago

baq 3y ago

You're so focused on driving I feel you're missing the point of designing the space so driving isn't necessary. Your axiom is 'work is far away'. But the point is it only happens if it's convenient to be far away. Design your city in a way it's convenient to be nearby and it'll be nearby. The problem is this design is completely at odds with private car ownership.

lucumo 3y ago
> But the point is it only happens if it's convenient to be far away. No. The point is that "work" isn't a generic thing like "supermarket". A specific job is something that needs to fit your personality. If you're the type of person that really digs working for big tech, you aren't going to find a job you enjoy in some small town. You can probably find a job maintaining the website of the local bank, but are you really going to think that's a good outcome? Hell, for big tech the jobs aren't even commutable from anywhere if you are willing to commute by car. Or helicopter. But this problem goes for loads of people in loads of jobs. If you can commute further you have more choice. More choice gives you better odds at a job you like.
- baq 3y ago
  I completely agree, it's just there's nothing stopping those office jobs to be created next to train stations. Except there aren't enough conveniently located train stations... turns out there are in Paris and London though? Car dependence is a feature of sprawling cities. If you make your city dense, the jobs will be there. The fact that everyone has a car makes the jobs be all over the place because if employees can't commute further, the jobs will move to them. It's pure game theory. The big question is how to jump from a stable state of car dependence to a stable state of mass transit and I don't see a way to do that in general.
jjav 3y ago
> Design your city in a way it's convenient to be nearby and it'll be nearby. How can you possibly have every job be nearby to everyone? That's just not possible. Now factor in job changes or even career changes. Unless your primary criteria for picking a job is to have it nearby, the probability of having jobs far from home approaches 100% over time.

jimbokun 3y ago

Jobs of a given type tend to congregate in specific locations. Tech in Silicon Valley. Finance on Wall Street. Politics in DC. Entertainment in LA. So picking a geographic location based on your field and having a lot of job options is workable for a lot of occupation categories.