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First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live
- sswezey 3y agoIs the name intentionally a pun on sue you?
- bassiek 3y agoYou just made it so.
- blowski 3y agoThe readme used to contain the text: > suyu, pronounced "sue-you" (wink wink) is the continuation of the world's most popular, open-source, Nintendo Switch emulator, yuzu. https://github.com/lineCode/suyu- https://github.com/lineCode/suyu-
- Zambyte 3y agoHere is a link to the commit where they changed it: https://gitlab.com/suyu-emu/suyu/-/commit/bc4f5c38fee23b8e8b7b999887cb5ebb04e8f975 https://gitlab.com/suyu-emu/suyu/-/commit/bc4f5c38fee23b8e8b...
- brandrick 3y agoIt is. This was removed from the GitLab page 5 days ago: "Removed sue-you wink wink"
- KMnO4 3y agoReminds me of the Mac OS 7 sound “Sosumi” (so sue me!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosumi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosumi
- speps 3y agoThe key bit: > Unlike Yuzu, the Suyu team does things differently in regards to Nintendo Switch emulation than their predecessors. Whereas Yuzu only required prod.keys, Suyu will also require you to dump your title.keys and firmware from a hacked Switch to run games. The devs also clarified that they are doing this for nonprofit (there's no Patreon) and do not condone piracy. We'll see how long it lasts...
- tempoponet 3y agoOne argument I heard for the Yuzu settlement was to avoid discovery. There's speculation that Nintendo had the goods on them, and that discovery would expose them to more than the civil penalties they were facing. Nintendo has never been friendly to emulation, or most fan content in general, but there are protections for fair-use and this team appears to be building their work behind those, rather than playing fast and loose with them.
- LelouBil 3y agoYeahw if they used leaked games to optimize the emulator for release day, they would have much more to fear.
- klausa 3y agoMy understanding was that they were offering a specially-patched version of Yuzu to their Patreon supporters, that included improvements for games that _weren't released yet_. *Making money* by helping people run Zelda _before it came out_ was begging for trouble. Nintendo's approach to fan projects and emulators is ridiculous, don't get me wrong — but Yuzu authors were definitely playing with fire and overstepping what's generally accepted in the community.
- gjsman-1000 3y agoThis was a widely spread myth, now generally considered incorrect. Yuzu did not offer improvements before launch day. There were badly patched unofficial versions that were trying. Nintendo does allege though that Yuzu was doing research to develop the patches before launch day.
- klausa 3y agoThank you for the correction!
- testudovictoria 3y agoThere are fair-use protections, but it costs money to defend. Part of why so many Smash tournaments folded in 2022 was because of Nintendo telling people they weren't allowed to host tourneys using their IP. Granted I'm not a lawyer, but people gathering to play a multiplayer game and then streaming the matches doesn't inherently constitute any infringement on Nintendo's rights or ability to make money. Many TOs (tournament organizers) left the scene or stopped featuring Smash as a title over the C&D notice. No one wanted to take on Nintendo in court. Kind of. Some TOs are calling Nintendo's bluff. Nintendo released a set of guidelines[0] on what kinds of tournaments can be hosted. However, Collision 2024 just happened with attendees and a prize pool surpassing the guidelines. [0]: https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/63433/~/community-tournament-guidelines https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/...
- setToNull 3y ago“Sue You,” as in Nintendo will…
- teddyh 3y ago<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sosumi&oldid=1208436801 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sosumi&oldid=1208...>
- saintradon 3y ago3 things in life are certain. Death, taxes, and Nintendo emulators.
- nicce 3y agoThere is no 3rd without the legal problems with Nintendo.
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- mherkender 3y agoNot sure what you mean, there are a ton of Nintendo emulators out there, some decades old.
- nicce 3y agoJust a bad joke.
- bluescrn 3y agoIt only became a problem when emulator performance overtook their current-gen hardware (Especially if enhanced versions of big titles like the Zelda games are intended to be a significant selling point for their next console)
- tombert 3y agoI mean, Higan/BSnes, SNES9X, Project64, Mupen64, FCEUX, mGBA, and probably dozens of others that I'm missing have been around for a very long time, and as far as I'm aware haven't had any legal issues from Nintendo, though that might be because all of them don't require any kind of BIOS.
- TheCaptain4815 3y agoWhy don't any of these major emulator teams build and release anonymously?
- Eiim 3y agoYou can still be sued. At that point, you either: a) defend yourself as normal, while attempting to maintain anonymity (difficult & doesn't solve anything) b) let the case go to default judgement (for likely an enormous amount of money) at which point Nintendo has every reason to try to track you down in real life, and can use the courts to help them do so. Hope you were really, really thorough about your anonymity.
- bitcharmer 3y agoHow do you sue someone that is anonymous?
- gaganyaan 3y agoOpSec is hard. The Silk Road guy was anonymous, up until he wasn't.
- Eiim 3y agoFile a lawsuit against a John/Jane Doe defendant(s) and describe who the defendants are, e.g., the people who code and maintain the emulator. Maybe a little harder than if you had the names but not by a lot.
- Eiim 3y agoI should say: the real difficulty is service, but if there's any way to get in contact with you, there's at least a chance it will be accepted as good service. There was famously a recent case where a defendant known only by a Bitcoin address was served by sending a transaction with an attached message to that address.
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- urbandw311er 3y agoOn my Mac, the .dmg mounts but the executable says "“suyu” is damaged and can’t be opened. You should move it to the Bin."
- KMnO4 3y agoYou can usually circumvent that by right clicking (or control clicking) and pressing open. There will now be a button that says “open anyway”.
- adderthorn 3y agoIf it's apple silicon you need to run `xattr -cr` on the .app to get it to be executable.
- wiz21c 3y agoIf Nintendo sued Yuzu because they were indirectly causing damage, then I can sue car makers for making air polution.
- arghwhat 3y agoYou can, but to win ridiculous cases you need massively out-lawyer the defendant. It's a lot easier for a big company to out-lawyer a handful of individuals than the other way around.
- Zambyte 3y agoLand of the Free
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoThat's literally what happens though: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/german-farmers-lawsuit-against-volkswagen-demanding-tighter-carbon-emissions-2023-02-24/ https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/german...
- bogdan 3y agoVW got fined for that, not enough though and many others got out scot-free for similar rigging. A handful of cars (within regulations) don't pollute enough to cause harm but throw in thousands and thousand on narrow city roads and then do we blame the city planners?
- burrish 3y agoWhat's the big fuss when we still have Ryujinx ?
- tombert 3y agoI think the fear is that this is only the beginning. Nintendo successfully killed one emulator, why would they stop there? Nintendo certainly knows about Ryujinx and is patiently waiting for them to screw up anything legally so they can bring them down next.
- burrish 3y agoYeah I still think Ryujinx should be safe for a bit since they don't monetize the emulator as much as Suzu did, who knows, Nintendo Lawyers are ready for anything
- tombert 3y agoI suspect Ryujinx does a better job outright condemning piracy in their discourse, so there's less for Nintendo to pounce on.
- m_rpn 3y agoI'm sure nobody mentions it because of the fear that the mighty Nintendo might discover us Ryujinx rebels.
- tentacleuno 3y agoIf 5 minutes of online research yields Ryujinx, I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that Nintendo are already very aware of its presence.
- burrish 3y agoYeah I think with 31k stars on github, youtube videos reaching hundreds of views.. I think it's safe to assume Nintendo knows about Ryujinx haha
- 10GBps 3y agoIn some ways Nintendo suing the original project was a good thing. It brought the project to the attention of a lot more people. Now there is a new version with a bunch of bugs fixed. Who knows how many new developers will be working on it now. I have to think Nintendo knew this. They had to defend what they could and did so because the original project actually seemed to be doing some sketchy stuff. They know they can't stop everything though.
- tombert 3y agoI think it's pretty clear that if they felt that they had a case against emulation as a whole, they would have brought down the Dolphin project. As it stands, the worst they've done is gotten it booted off Steam, but I can happily still download it from their website. The Dolphin project has been around in some capacity since 2003, while the GameCube was still relevant, and had more-or-less decent Wii Emulation in 2009 as well; by all accounts in 2010 Dolphin was directly competing with "real" Wiis (while offering proper HD output no less). I'm sure Nintendo's lawyers were perfectly aware of Dolphin pretty early on, and if they felt that there was any case against them then they would have done something.
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- prophesi 3y agoIs there a definitive fork of Citra as well? That was the actual tragedy of the Yuzu aftermath. I do know there are forks for Citra VR, Mac, and Android that were unaffected which is great however.
- haunter 3y agoAt least Citra is a mature emulator, almost 100% of the games work. The disaster is actually the online lobbies. Citra had a multiplayer network and it’s not available anymore
- k12sosse 3y agoI would pay Nintendo the price of a physical switch console - and then each game individually - for the ability to play their games legally in top graphical fidelity using my supercomputer. I'd even be open to the idea of paying a subscription fee to do it, instead of buying individual titles, and includes back catalogue