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macOS Sonoma 14.4 Bug 'Destroys Saved Versions in iCloud Drive'

41 points by mfiguiere 3y ago

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viraptor 3y ago
So yeah, bugs happen. But at this point, why is my Mac still showing the update as available? I really don't understand why they haven't pulled down this one.
- MissTake 3y ago
  Presumably because they seem to believe the latest warnings to be enough, and that the number of real affected users to be low enough to not outweigh the security benefits. I myself, for example, have had zero issues with this release. Granted I’m still on Intel on my 2019 MBP, but I seriously stress it out with multiple JetBrains IDEs running, building with Podman and even running Postgres locally. Last I rebooted was when I patched 3 days after the release. Yes, I’m lucky that I’m not using an Apple Silicon machine, and yes, I’d be seriously pissed if my workflow was killed as a result of the Java issue - so I’m not minimizing the anger and annoyance here. But in the great scheme of things, being brutally honest, I’d have to ask how many users in total does that bug affect compared to all Apple Silicon users?
  - dangus 3y ago
    Well, bugs with this release affect probably every Minecraft Java Edition user on Apple Silicon, which happens to be the most popular game of all time. It’s affecting me intermittently, enough to be very annoying. My game crashes as I try to enter the world most of the time. Once it works it tends to remain stable for the play session.
sitkack 3y ago
Great rundown of all the 14.4 issues, https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/18/do-not-update-macos-sonoma-14-4/ https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/18/do-not-update-macos-son... I am super glad to not have applied the update yet, it looks like it would break so many things I rely on that it would be the first update I would have had to revert. iCloud is so buggy that I consider it a junk drawer that I can use to copy files between computers. I'd really wish Apple would have a Great Software Quality reset, way too many unaddressed bugs.
- gekoxyz 3y ago
  I would love to have an update like sierra -> high sierra where they focused just on performance and stability, but i really doubt that will happen. They have to catch up with microsoft and google and implement "AI features" in every possible app and OS feature instead of pushing good updates.
  - slowmovintarget 3y ago
    Apple has something that they've been putting in their hardware for years and that's neural engines. All modern Macs, iPhones, and iPads have them, and they all allow local inference which has dramatic privacy and security advantages over the Microsoft and Google models (which require you to open all your data to "the cloud"). MacOS 14.4 is a misstep (breaking Java and data backups), but I don't think it's indicative of some radical change of focus.
- classified 3y ago
  > a Great Software Quality reset Will never happen, they went full in on profit maximizing. Can't afford to do anything that doesn't increase lock-in and money extraction.
  - wenc 3y ago
    Apple Delays Work on Next Year’s iPhone, Mac Software to Fix Bugs https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-07/apple-delays-work-on-ios-18-macos-15-watchos-11-due-to-problems-with-bugs https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-07/apple-del...
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jscheel 3y ago
Apple support is so bad now. I’m having a problem where my macbook will dark wake (even though I have turned absolutely everything off that allows it to dark wake). Wouldn’t be that big of an issue, except that it will dark wake, then get stuck in dark wake with the lid closed while sitting in my bag, eventually running the battery down and overheating the laptop. This is a known issue. It’s been a known issue for years. Nothing has changed. On my recent call with their “advanced technical support”, I screen-shared with the technician, showing her all the logs where the computer woke up while in my bag, got stuck endlessly scanning the network, experienced a thermal emergency, etc. Her response: “can you take a screenshot of the issue the next time it happens? Maybe take a screenshot of your computer being awake when it shouldn’t be? We can’t continue until you update to 14.4 and you provide a screenshot of the issue.”
- bouke 3y ago
  This very issue has been bugging me for years on different MBP models. I dread contacting support for getting a similar treatment.
- charleslmunger 3y ago
  Does your bag have magnets in it? https://old.reddit.com/r/peakdesign/comments/nkb6t2/laptop_waking/ https://old.reddit.com/r/peakdesign/comments/nkb6t2/laptop_w...
  - jscheel 3y ago
    It has a couple of very low strength ones. I would be inclined to think that they might be causing a problem if it didn't also happen outside of my bag. Additionally, I can see in the logs that it never detects a lid open, which would trigger a full wake from the dark wake.

41 points by mfiguiere 3y ago

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viraptor 3y ago

So yeah, bugs happen. But at this point, why is my Mac still showing the update as available? I really don't understand why they haven't pulled down this one.

MissTake 3y ago
Presumably because they seem to believe the latest warnings to be enough, and that the number of real affected users to be low enough to not outweigh the security benefits. I myself, for example, have had zero issues with this release. Granted I’m still on Intel on my 2019 MBP, but I seriously stress it out with multiple JetBrains IDEs running, building with Podman and even running Postgres locally. Last I rebooted was when I patched 3 days after the release. Yes, I’m lucky that I’m not using an Apple Silicon machine, and yes, I’d be seriously pissed if my workflow was killed as a result of the Java issue - so I’m not minimizing the anger and annoyance here. But in the great scheme of things, being brutally honest, I’d have to ask how many users in total does that bug affect compared to all Apple Silicon users?
- dangus 3y ago
  Well, bugs with this release affect probably every Minecraft Java Edition user on Apple Silicon, which happens to be the most popular game of all time. It’s affecting me intermittently, enough to be very annoying. My game crashes as I try to enter the world most of the time. Once it works it tends to remain stable for the play session.

sitkack 3y ago

Great rundown of all the 14.4 issues, https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/18/do-not-update-macos-sonoma-14-4/ https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/18/do-not-update-macos-son... I am super glad to not have applied the update yet, it looks like it would break so many things I rely on that it would be the first update I would have had to revert. iCloud is so buggy that I consider it a junk drawer that I can use to copy files between computers. I'd really wish Apple would have a Great Software Quality reset, way too many unaddressed bugs.

gekoxyz 3y ago
I would love to have an update like sierra -> high sierra where they focused just on performance and stability, but i really doubt that will happen. They have to catch up with microsoft and google and implement "AI features" in every possible app and OS feature instead of pushing good updates.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  Apple has something that they've been putting in their hardware for years and that's neural engines. All modern Macs, iPhones, and iPads have them, and they all allow local inference which has dramatic privacy and security advantages over the Microsoft and Google models (which require you to open all your data to "the cloud"). MacOS 14.4 is a misstep (breaking Java and data backups), but I don't think it's indicative of some radical change of focus.
classified 3y ago
> a Great Software Quality reset Will never happen, they went full in on profit maximizing. Can't afford to do anything that doesn't increase lock-in and money extraction.
- wenc 3y ago
  Apple Delays Work on Next Year’s iPhone, Mac Software to Fix Bugs https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-07/apple-delays-work-on-ios-18-macos-15-watchos-11-due-to-problems-with-bugs https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-07/apple-del...

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jscheel 3y ago

Apple support is so bad now. I’m having a problem where my macbook will dark wake (even though I have turned absolutely everything off that allows it to dark wake). Wouldn’t be that big of an issue, except that it will dark wake, then get stuck in dark wake with the lid closed while sitting in my bag, eventually running the battery down and overheating the laptop. This is a known issue. It’s been a known issue for years. Nothing has changed. On my recent call with their “advanced technical support”, I screen-shared with the technician, showing her all the logs where the computer woke up while in my bag, got stuck endlessly scanning the network, experienced a thermal emergency, etc. Her response: “can you take a screenshot of the issue the next time it happens? Maybe take a screenshot of your computer being awake when it shouldn’t be? We can’t continue until you update to 14.4 and you provide a screenshot of the issue.”

bouke 3y ago
This very issue has been bugging me for years on different MBP models. I dread contacting support for getting a similar treatment.
charleslmunger 3y ago
Does your bag have magnets in it? https://old.reddit.com/r/peakdesign/comments/nkb6t2/laptop_waking/ https://old.reddit.com/r/peakdesign/comments/nkb6t2/laptop_w...
- jscheel 3y ago
  It has a couple of very low strength ones. I would be inclined to think that they might be causing a problem if it didn't also happen outside of my bag. Additionally, I can see in the logs that it never detects a lid open, which would trigger a full wake from the dark wake.