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When bots invariably redirect captcha chat messages to a call center in (x) country to solve for 1̶0̶ ̶c̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ (thanks flotzam) 0.2 cents, what's the next st
by eganist 3y ago
When bots invariably redirect captcha chat messages to a call center in (x) country to solve for 1̶0̶ ̶c̶e̶n̶t̶s̶ (thanks flotzam) 0.2 cents, what's the next step in this cat and mouse game?
- flotzam 3y ago> 10 cents 0.2 cents on Anti Captcha, 0.179 cents on DeathByCaptcha
- yread 3y ago700 million people live on <2.15$/day people [1]. You can solve a lot of captchas in a day, probably not 1000 though. How does this work? [1] https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/poverty/overview
- softskunk 3y agoYou can absolutely solve 1000 captchas in a day. If we say it takes 10 seconds on average to solve a captcha, that’s 10.000 seconds for 1000 captchas, or just under 3 hours.
- TuringNYC 3y ago>> 700 million people live on <2.15$/day people [1]. You can solve a lot of captchas in a day, probably not 1000 though. How does this work? Not sure if the people living for <2.15$/day have access to sufficient network bandwidth or computers/smartphones. Some may not have access to power.
- hackable_sand 3y ago[dead]
- sojuz151 3y agoAlso, you can use this to supplement income. You can herd goat and solve capcha at the same time.
- realusername 3y agoYou don't even need to pay them. How many captcha have you solved this year and how much money did you get back from it? Zero? The anti captcha platforms are working exactly the same as the captcha platforms, they just send captcha through users and then acts as a middleman to get a cut. People are so used to solve captcha now that you can get them to solve captcha for getting access to anything.
- dTal 3y agoConsidering that I would pay double this to avoid doing a captcha, I conclude that 1) captchas are irretrievably broken, 2) there is a profitable arbitrage opportunity here.
- cranberryturkey 3y agoAI can already solve captchas, no need to exploit poor countries.
- cmcconomy 3y agothats right the exploitation is already baked into the ai training process
- Satam 3y agoExploit? No one's forcing people to solve captchas, they do it because it's a good deal for them. I'm from a country that was relatively quite poor just 15-20 years ago, and I can say stuff opportunities like were positive, not exploitative.
- fwip 3y agoThat's what exploitation is. You see people in a bad situation, and think "oh hey, I can profit from that." Exploitation (usually) isn't slavery, and most people who are exploited voluntarily enter into that relationship.
- algas 3y agoGenuinely curious -- is there a reason not to exploit someone who voluntarily enters into that relationship? I always assumed 'exploitation' meant forcing people to do things they didn't want to do.
- Joker_vD 3y agoWell, it's a moral question and therefore there is no universal answer, everyone decides it for themselves. And given the fact that when presented with a choice between starving under a bridge or working a back-breaking work for 12 hours per day, most of the people historically have voluntarily chosen to labour, one could argue that indeed it is entirely ethical.
- oarsinsync 3y ago
- pityJuke 3y agoIsn’t this already the case? It’s probably still cheaper considering the inference costs.
- sigmoid10 3y agoThis actually happened during the original red team tests on GPT-4. See section 2.9 of the technical report: https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf https://cdn.openai.com/papers/gpt-4.pdf
- mkmk 3y agoThe most clever, if unsavory, way that I've seen someone solve this is by building a free adult website and requiring users to solve captchas to view the content. Once they had a regular stream of people solving captchas, they started selling the ability to insert the captcha you need solved in the visitor stream.
- geraldhh 3y agogenius!
- joshavant 3y agoSimilarly, Google purchased reCaptcha and ended up harnessing the stream of human interaction into that to, among other things, classify all of their Street View content (e.g. select the stop lights/bridges/license plates/etc).
- bhasi 3y agoI've always wondered: wouldn't they need to have already classified those captchas for them to determine whether the user has made the right selections? If so, doesn't that defeat its "real" purpose of getting people to do that classification work for them?
- lgas 3y agoIt would appear that asking multiple users and taking the consensus does the trick.
- munificent 3y agoI believe this is the answer. It works especially well here because there's no easy way for multiple bad actors to collude and generate a false consensus.
- newaccount74 3y agoThey can show you some objects that they already classified and some objects they are unsure about.