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Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

by cdme 3y ago

tgv 3y ago
There is also music for other functions: entertainment, background, dancing. Perhaps it finds niche there, because -let's be honest- most of the music in that category is made on the automatic pilot anyway. But I also find it an idiotic attempt. It doesn't inform us about anything, and it makes any idiot with a mouse think they can create. Instead, they're listening to music that's worse than what YouTube has to offer.
- NoraCodes 3y ago
  > Perhaps it finds niche there, because -let's be honest- most of the music in that category is made on the automatic pilot anyway. Can you give some examples? In my experience, most music, even music we think of as banal or boring, had a pretty significant amount of effort, and creativity, put into its creation.
  - tgv 3y ago
    It takes some effort to learn, but once you know, it's not that hard. Musicians under time pressure to produce (and that's most of them) don't try to be very original and take all the shortcuts they can. Make a bar with a simple beat, pick some sounds, a standard chord progression, and then imitate whatever the current trend is. Art music is different. That won't budge so easily. What's worrying is that even e.g. amateur film makers can now access something like Suno, and won't be offering their amateur musician friends an opportunity to learn. And once the incentive to learn and improve has gone, people will stop and music will wither.
- patall 3y ago
  One example: I just used it to make a personalized birthday song in 30 min. At that, it works quite well (while it's still novel)
taberiand 3y ago
I predict people will soon be saying this while lauding "human art" that they don't realise is completely AI generated.
- cdme 3y ago
  No, this is filler generated by and for people that never appreciated music in the first place.
joshstrange 3y ago
You don’t see any value in someone who can do part of writing music/lyrics, but not all of it, using this tool to complete the aspect that they’re not skilled at? I mean that’s where AI shines for me, letting 1 person (or few people) accomplish what would have required teams of skilled people to do. It’s the same story with tech in general. I write code that runs on web/android/iOS that has processed over a half a million dollars through it as a single-person company. That was all pre-AI, my point being that technology and the tools it produces allow us to do amazing things. I see AI as only furthering that. Now I can create custom sounds using AI, let AI help with marketing copy that I’m not good at, have it generate cartoon/simple pictures to explain a process for my software, etc. A world limited not by my skillset but by my imagination. I know people hate electron apps but the alternative is often no app (not a native app), in the same vein tools like this will allow people who can write lyrics but not music to share their songs. It won’t be for everyone but there is value in it.
- cdme 3y ago
  I don't. No. I can understand drum programming, which is leveraged by one of my favorite solo death metal artists (though he hired a live drummer when budget permitted). There's a thought and intentionality to what's being created — I don't want what comes out of a prompt. I want to follow artists and their output, not an algorithm or AI that mimics ones and is trained by questionably feeding on their output. No, none of this is appealing. I can't control what anyone else does, but for me? No, no thanks.
- vunderba 3y ago
  Except that that's not what will happen. The vast majority of people will just use a different AI tool to generate the lyrics, use Suno to make the music, and then use midjourney to generate the album art. And then they'll throw a tasteless post up on Instagram about how they "made a song".
  - fennecbutt 3y ago
    Where is the line drawn when using tools to make a song, then?
rauljordan2020 3y ago
Except that if I heard this on the radio or in my music streaming recommendations I’d think it’s a banger and would be jamming to it all day. A song I heard from the site earlier blew my mind and my friends were asking me who the artist was. The lines are more blurry than we think. The song made my day and made me emotional and that’s enough for me
- sseagull 3y ago
  Does your perception of the song change depending on who the artist is? What would you think of the piece if the artist was a young girl? A grown Turkish man? Someone who is deaf? A neo-Nazi Holocaust denier? A rich businessman using AI and just looking to make more money? A poor teenager using a computer at their library? I think most people’s like/dislike/perception of the song would be colored by who made it and how it was made. You can’t always separate the art from the artist.
  - rauljordan2020 3y ago
    I see the point here, but I don't know the backstories of the vast majority of artists I listen to. In most of the cases, I just really enjoy the music. For instance, I found a playlist of R&B jams on Apple music the other day, and just kept shuffling through the playlist and it was a great experience. I have no idea who the people behind the music are, but I loved the songs
thomassmith65 3y ago
The most truly 'human' music is a group of people chanting in unison, maybe stamping feet and clapping hands. It's unlikely we had instruments for most of our evolution. There's no evidence we had complex harmony nor even chords for most of the existence of our species.
- thefaux 3y ago
  I don't think you should exclude a single voice singing alone from truly human music. There are things that only a single individual can do musically as well as things that only a group can do. But I will say from experience that singing in a group (particularly improvisationally) is one of the best experiences in life and I seek it out as much as possible. Listening to ai generated blues on the other hand...

Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

by cdme 3y ago

Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

tgv 3y ago

There is also music for other functions: entertainment, background, dancing. Perhaps it finds niche there, because -let's be honest- most of the music in that category is made on the automatic pilot anyway. But I also find it an idiotic attempt. It doesn't inform us about anything, and it makes any idiot with a mouse think they can create. Instead, they're listening to music that's worse than what YouTube has to offer.

NoraCodes 3y ago
> Perhaps it finds niche there, because -let's be honest- most of the music in that category is made on the automatic pilot anyway. Can you give some examples? In my experience, most music, even music we think of as banal or boring, had a pretty significant amount of effort, and creativity, put into its creation.
- tgv 3y ago
  It takes some effort to learn, but once you know, it's not that hard. Musicians under time pressure to produce (and that's most of them) don't try to be very original and take all the shortcuts they can. Make a bar with a simple beat, pick some sounds, a standard chord progression, and then imitate whatever the current trend is. Art music is different. That won't budge so easily. What's worrying is that even e.g. amateur film makers can now access something like Suno, and won't be offering their amateur musician friends an opportunity to learn. And once the incentive to learn and improve has gone, people will stop and music will wither.
patall 3y ago
One example: I just used it to make a personalized birthday song in 30 min. At that, it works quite well (while it's still novel)

taberiand 3y ago

I predict people will soon be saying this while lauding "human art" that they don't realise is completely AI generated.

cdme 3y ago
No, this is filler generated by and for people that never appreciated music in the first place.

joshstrange 3y ago

You don’t see any value in someone who can do part of writing music/lyrics, but not all of it, using this tool to complete the aspect that they’re not skilled at? I mean that’s where AI shines for me, letting 1 person (or few people) accomplish what would have required teams of skilled people to do. It’s the same story with tech in general. I write code that runs on web/android/iOS that has processed over a half a million dollars through it as a single-person company. That was all pre-AI, my point being that technology and the tools it produces allow us to do amazing things. I see AI as only furthering that. Now I can create custom sounds using AI, let AI help with marketing copy that I’m not good at, have it generate cartoon/simple pictures to explain a process for my software, etc. A world limited not by my skillset but by my imagination. I know people hate electron apps but the alternative is often no app (not a native app), in the same vein tools like this will allow people who can write lyrics but not music to share their songs. It won’t be for everyone but there is value in it.

cdme 3y ago
I don't. No. I can understand drum programming, which is leveraged by one of my favorite solo death metal artists (though he hired a live drummer when budget permitted). There's a thought and intentionality to what's being created — I don't want what comes out of a prompt. I want to follow artists and their output, not an algorithm or AI that mimics ones and is trained by questionably feeding on their output. No, none of this is appealing. I can't control what anyone else does, but for me? No, no thanks.
vunderba 3y ago
Except that that's not what will happen. The vast majority of people will just use a different AI tool to generate the lyrics, use Suno to make the music, and then use midjourney to generate the album art. And then they'll throw a tasteless post up on Instagram about how they "made a song".
- fennecbutt 3y ago
  Where is the line drawn when using tools to make a song, then?

rauljordan2020 3y ago

Except that if I heard this on the radio or in my music streaming recommendations I’d think it’s a banger and would be jamming to it all day. A song I heard from the site earlier blew my mind and my friends were asking me who the artist was. The lines are more blurry than we think. The song made my day and made me emotional and that’s enough for me

sseagull 3y ago
Does your perception of the song change depending on who the artist is? What would you think of the piece if the artist was a young girl? A grown Turkish man? Someone who is deaf? A neo-Nazi Holocaust denier? A rich businessman using AI and just looking to make more money? A poor teenager using a computer at their library? I think most people’s like/dislike/perception of the song would be colored by who made it and how it was made. You can’t always separate the art from the artist.
- rauljordan2020 3y ago
  I see the point here, but I don't know the backstories of the vast majority of artists I listen to. In most of the cases, I just really enjoy the music. For instance, I found a playlist of R&B jams on Apple music the other day, and just kept shuffling through the playlist and it was a great experience. I have no idea who the people behind the music are, but I loved the songs

thomassmith65 3y ago

The most truly 'human' music is a group of people chanting in unison, maybe stamping feet and clapping hands. It's unlikely we had instruments for most of our evolution. There's no evidence we had complex harmony nor even chords for most of the existence of our species.

thefaux 3y ago
I don't think you should exclude a single voice singing alone from truly human music. There are things that only a single individual can do musically as well as things that only a group can do. But I will say from experience that singing in a group (particularly improvisationally) is one of the best experiences in life and I seek it out as much as possible. Listening to ai generated blues on the other hand...