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while you make your high-brow comment at how the $26 is a fair price for a cup of delivery coffee, the coffee shop owner, delivery driver, customer's are all wo

by treme 3y ago

while you make your high-brow comment at how the $26 is a fair price for a cup of delivery coffee, the coffee shop owner, delivery driver, customer's are all worse off than before because some politicians thought they 'knew' better, as you purport to here.

kibwen 3y ago
Meanwhile, the rest of society is better off because they're no longer paying the societal cost of effectively subsidizing the infrastructure of rich people who're paying to have a single lukewarm diet coke hand-delivered from the McDonald's down the block.
- jimbokun 3y ago
  Why the hyperbole? Restaurant delivery service has been around for decades but it’s never had such a high overhead as it does today. It’s amazing how throwing all kinds of computing power and fancy apps at the problem has made the process so much less efficient than when someone picked up the phone and called the restaurant and food would show up at their door.
  - yodon 3y ago
    >Restaurant delivery service has been around for decades but it’s never had such a high overhead as it does today. Delivery used to be primarily (not exclusively, but primarily) pizza. Pizza is a special, nearly optimal case for delivery because it translates to small volume, lightweight, uniform, packing efficient, equal temperature containers enabling a single driver to carry enough product for a large number of endpoints while maintaining the temperature and quality of the food. These conditions do not apply to most food options, and are critical to the cost efficiency of pizza delivery.
rhelz 3y ago
> high-brow comment You say that like its a bad thing :-) > all worse off than before. Let's stipulate, for sake of argument, that is true. Coffee shop owners are selling less coffee, delivery drivers are getting paid more per hour, but get less hours in, and erstwhile customers can no longer afford hand-delivered coffee. Further stipulate that its this bill which us the cause. The question is, wouldn't all of that happened anyways? The bill might have made it happen now, and not 6 months from now. But can you show everybody was not just living in a fool's paradise? I know it's unusual these days to make public policy based on calculation and not ideological conviction, but lets do some math. If a driver is making $20 an hour, and it costs him 75 cents a mile to drive his car, how fast, in MPH, can the driver go before just running the car uses up the entire $20? I calculate 20/.75 = 26.7 MPH. So anybody driving at over 30 MPH is already wearing their car out faster than they can earn money to maintain it. 6 months later, there will be no money set aside for replacing the tires. When the break pads are worn away, well, just hope that the calipers digging into the brake discs can keep you going. And we'll just hope the timing belt--which should have been replaced 50k miles ago, doesn't break, or we'll have to pay for an engine rebuild. Seriously guys in what universe does it make any sense that you can get coffee hand-delivered to your house for a few bucks extra? If something looks too good to be true, that's because it is too good to be true.

by treme 3y ago

kibwen 3y ago

Meanwhile, the rest of society is better off because they're no longer paying the societal cost of effectively subsidizing the infrastructure of rich people who're paying to have a single lukewarm diet coke hand-delivered from the McDonald's down the block.

jimbokun 3y ago
Why the hyperbole? Restaurant delivery service has been around for decades but it’s never had such a high overhead as it does today. It’s amazing how throwing all kinds of computing power and fancy apps at the problem has made the process so much less efficient than when someone picked up the phone and called the restaurant and food would show up at their door.
- yodon 3y ago
  >Restaurant delivery service has been around for decades but it’s never had such a high overhead as it does today. Delivery used to be primarily (not exclusively, but primarily) pizza. Pizza is a special, nearly optimal case for delivery because it translates to small volume, lightweight, uniform, packing efficient, equal temperature containers enabling a single driver to carry enough product for a large number of endpoints while maintaining the temperature and quality of the food. These conditions do not apply to most food options, and are critical to the cost efficiency of pizza delivery.

rhelz 3y ago

> high-brow comment You say that like its a bad thing :-) > all worse off than before. Let's stipulate, for sake of argument, that is true. Coffee shop owners are selling less coffee, delivery drivers are getting paid more per hour, but get less hours in, and erstwhile customers can no longer afford hand-delivered coffee. Further stipulate that its this bill which us the cause. The question is, wouldn't all of that happened anyways? The bill might have made it happen now, and not 6 months from now. But can you show everybody was not just living in a fool's paradise? I know it's unusual these days to make public policy based on calculation and not ideological conviction, but lets do some math. If a driver is making $20 an hour, and it costs him 75 cents a mile to drive his car, how fast, in MPH, can the driver go before just running the car uses up the entire $20? I calculate 20/.75 = 26.7 MPH. So anybody driving at over 30 MPH is already wearing their car out faster than they can earn money to maintain it. 6 months later, there will be no money set aside for replacing the tires. When the break pads are worn away, well, just hope that the calipers digging into the brake discs can keep you going. And we'll just hope the timing belt--which should have been replaced 50k miles ago, doesn't break, or we'll have to pay for an engine rebuild. Seriously guys in what universe does it make any sense that you can get coffee hand-delivered to your house for a few bucks extra? If something looks too good to be true, that's because it is too good to be true.