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An issue introduced by macOS 14.4, which causes Java process to terminate unexpectedly, is affecting all Java versions from Java 8 to the early access builds of

by npalli 3y ago

An issue introduced by macOS 14.4, which causes Java process to terminate unexpectedly, is affecting all Java versions from Java 8 to the early access builds of JDK 22 If this affects so many versions of Java and nobody notices, is anyone even using Java on macOS?

semiquaver 3y ago
Plenty of people develop for java on macs. The issue is that per the article this behavior was not present in the early access macOS builds, which means something changed between beta and release.
CharlesW 3y ago
For one, it doesn't affect all versions of Java. Java 20 (an LTS release) and 21, for example, don't have this problem.
- pritambarhate 3y ago
  JDK 21 is LTS not JDK 20. https://www.oracle.com/in/java/technologies/downloads/ https://www.oracle.com/in/java/technologies/downloads/
- bremac 3y ago
  Per the bug report, all versions since Java 8 are affected.
  - CharlesW 3y ago
    > Affected Version: 8,11,17,21,22 This has changed (they added 21) since I posted the comment above, so it looks like they’re still getting a handle on it.
- grodriguez100 3y ago
  The article says that the issue “is affecting all Java versions from Java 8 to the early access builds of JDK 22” now.
karmakaze 3y ago
I'm running RubyMine on 14.3.1 all the time and it's fine. Should I hold off updating to 14.4 until the dust has settled?
- merb 3y ago
  You should I had some Rider and IntelliJ crashes. The crash does not happen often tough, but if your in the middle of writing code it can get you out of the flow.
bzzzt 3y ago
It's not terminating directly. I've seen a few IDE crashes this week, less than one per day, but since there's no log there's no easy way to determine it's related to a macOS change.
- LgWoodenBadger 3y ago
  IntelliJ did this twice to me on Thursday and there was a crash log both times. I only reported one to Apple. Did you check the Console app for crash reports?
- Mustachio 3y ago
  https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-6802 https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-6802 The JetBrains team has already figured it out as well.
  - vips7L 3y ago
    Reading the comments from David Wartell in that thread is enough internet for me today. This guy is CTO of some company and is just harassing the thread for a fix ETA without understanding the problem at all.
    - deleted 3y ago
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lanna 3y ago
Maybe not a lot of macOS devs use Java, but a lot of Java devs use macOS
- seanalltogether 3y ago
  Also, if you're a mobile developer you likely have a Mac, and if you're a mobile dev that doesn't target iOS exclusively, then you run java.
- re-thc 3y ago
  If you use a Jetbrains IDE you already use Java e.g. Webstorm and Pycharm.
latchkey 3y ago
> is anyone even using Java on macOS? IntelliJ IDEA, the product itself, is JVM based.
- threeseed 3y ago
  Actually everything from Jetbrains does. So Pycharm, Rustrover etc.
  - latchkey 3y ago
    All of those are effectively language specific plugins of the base IDE platform, which is why I didn't list them individually.
comonoid 3y ago
It broke since recent MacOS 14.4, even at 14.4 betas it worked.
bombcar 3y ago
Minecraft runs on various Javas. And there's a known issue with an interaction between minecraft, Java, and the video drivers that crashes out and it can be traced back all the way to here: https://github.com/glfw/glfw/issues/1997 https://github.com/glfw/glfw/issues/1997 It's not fixed.
nurettin 3y ago
Sonoma has been out for only one week!
- stalfosknight 3y ago
  Sonoma became generally available September 26, 2023.
  - grodriguez100 3y ago
    However 14.4 was released days ago (March 7).
    - stalfosknight 3y ago
      The .4 is not what makes it Sonoma. The 14 is.
      - grodriguez100 3y ago
        Yes, I know.

by npalli 3y ago

semiquaver 3y ago

Plenty of people develop for java on macs. The issue is that per the article this behavior was not present in the early access macOS builds, which means something changed between beta and release.

CharlesW 3y ago

For one, it doesn't affect all versions of Java. Java 20 (an LTS release) and 21, for example, don't have this problem.

pritambarhate 3y ago
JDK 21 is LTS not JDK 20. https://www.oracle.com/in/java/technologies/downloads/ https://www.oracle.com/in/java/technologies/downloads/
bremac 3y ago
Per the bug report, all versions since Java 8 are affected.
- CharlesW 3y ago
  > Affected Version: 8,11,17,21,22 This has changed (they added 21) since I posted the comment above, so it looks like they’re still getting a handle on it.
grodriguez100 3y ago
The article says that the issue “is affecting all Java versions from Java 8 to the early access builds of JDK 22” now.

karmakaze 3y ago

I'm running RubyMine on 14.3.1 all the time and it's fine. Should I hold off updating to 14.4 until the dust has settled?

merb 3y ago
You should I had some Rider and IntelliJ crashes. The crash does not happen often tough, but if your in the middle of writing code it can get you out of the flow.

bzzzt 3y ago

It's not terminating directly. I've seen a few IDE crashes this week, less than one per day, but since there's no log there's no easy way to determine it's related to a macOS change.

LgWoodenBadger 3y ago
IntelliJ did this twice to me on Thursday and there was a crash log both times. I only reported one to Apple. Did you check the Console app for crash reports?
Mustachio 3y ago
https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-6802 https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-6802 The JetBrains team has already figured it out as well.
- vips7L 3y ago
  Reading the comments from David Wartell in that thread is enough internet for me today. This guy is CTO of some company and is just harassing the thread for a fix ETA without understanding the problem at all.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]

lanna 3y ago

Maybe not a lot of macOS devs use Java, but a lot of Java devs use macOS

seanalltogether 3y ago
Also, if you're a mobile developer you likely have a Mac, and if you're a mobile dev that doesn't target iOS exclusively, then you run java.
re-thc 3y ago
If you use a Jetbrains IDE you already use Java e.g. Webstorm and Pycharm.

latchkey 3y ago

> is anyone even using Java on macOS? IntelliJ IDEA, the product itself, is JVM based.

threeseed 3y ago
Actually everything from Jetbrains does. So Pycharm, Rustrover etc.
- latchkey 3y ago
  All of those are effectively language specific plugins of the base IDE platform, which is why I didn't list them individually.

comonoid 3y ago

It broke since recent MacOS 14.4, even at 14.4 betas it worked.

bombcar 3y ago

Minecraft runs on various Javas. And there's a known issue with an interaction between minecraft, Java, and the video drivers that crashes out and it can be traced back all the way to here: https://github.com/glfw/glfw/issues/1997 https://github.com/glfw/glfw/issues/1997 It's not fixed.

nurettin 3y ago

Sonoma has been out for only one week!

stalfosknight 3y ago
Sonoma became generally available September 26, 2023.
- grodriguez100 3y ago
  However 14.4 was released days ago (March 7).
  - stalfosknight 3y ago
    The .4 is not what makes it Sonoma. The 14 is.
    - grodriguez100 3y ago
      Yes, I know.