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i have a crazy idea... how about... not focusing on ever increasing the size of ai models, so that we don't need to build all those power-hungry ai training dat

i have a crazy idea... how about... not focusing on ever increasing the size of ai models, so that we don't need to build all those power-hungry ai training datacenters? just a thought

CuriouslyC 3y ago
Even if the models aren't gargantuan, millions of people using AI applications is going to burn a lot of power.
- amelius 3y ago
  This only makes their argument stronger.
- flextheruler 3y ago
  I still haven’t seen a use case that will make AI adopted by the masses I think it’s still mostly hot air. It’s good for what it is for office jobs and higher education, but only for specific tasks and it has to be triple checked. Just yesterday at work I asked it for a Powershell script to upload a local file to S3 and it hallucinated a method. The whole script is like 10 lines. How could it mess that up, but meanwhile it’s about to change the world and be mass adopted? This is Claude 3 the best model for coding… After using these models for awhile I think they’re really helpful to get off the ground in terms of coding and writing and to help review coding and writing, but that’s about all I’ve seen so far. It feels like we’re also getting diminishing returns with the current paradigm so we’ll see if I’ll be eating my hat next year, but I really don’t see mass adoption like a search engine.
  - CuriouslyC 3y ago
    I've had GPT4 produce quite a bit of useful code, and it's indispensable when working with new libraries or in new domains.
    - parpfish 3y ago
      Even if every dev in the world adopted an LLM copilot, that’s a teeny tiny sliver of “the masses”.
      - CuriouslyC 3y ago
        Except that LLMs are going to eat into everything white collar. Law, medicine, writing, common office tasks, etc. Beyond that, a function calling chat interface enables a class of application that couldn't exist without it.
  - bongodongobob 3y ago
    I use ChatGPT4 daily for powershell scripts. The only time it seems to hallucinate is when I'm forcing it to use 4.0 rather than 5.1 or 7.
  - GaggiX 3y ago
    Has AI not already been adopted by the masses?
    - parpfish 3y ago
      Absolutely not. I’d wager that a slim majority of Americans have heard of chatGPT, much less have used it, and even fewer have done something useful/productive with it. Here are stats from 6 months ago, I doubt it’s changed significantly since then: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/28/most-americans-havent-used-chatgpt-few-think-it-will-have-a-major-impact-on-their-job/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/28/most-amer...
      - GaggiX 3y ago
        >about four-in-ten adults under 30 have used it That seems pretty massive honestly, that's way beyond what I would consider adopted by the masses.
        parpfish 3y ago
        That’s four intern among those that have heard of it. So cut that in half to get the percentage of the population. Or another way of thinking of it: among people that have heard of your free-to-use product, a majority haven’t bothered to try it.
infecto 3y ago
It’s always interesting to see these ideas on a tech forum. Should we as humanity stop right here? Draw a line in the sand and not do anything new? Maybe we should move backwards, skipping the Industrial Revolution and go back to each individual growing their own food? This is a serious question. What do you propose? Because you are not able to pick and choose what humanity tries out, so shall we stop entirely?
- amelius 3y ago
  > Should we as humanity stop right here? Draw a line in the sand and not do anything new? There will be a point when the answer is "yes". For example, when we can produce hobby 3d printers for biological viruses. Or DIY kits for nuclear weapons. Or cameras that are the size of a grain of sand and cost only 1 cent. Stuff that some individuals might want, but society will never be ready for.
- makerdiety 3y ago
  What people want is limited by their ability level. And there's no reason to ever be bullish on liberal (classical) society's capacity for intentional change. Human agency doesn't mean shit.
- korijn 3y ago
  We should invent solutions for problems that we have, instead of wildly trying to apply this tech to everything we can think of. We are skipping the benefit/cost considerations.
  - okr 3y ago
    Is AI not a solution for our problems? I can imagine a declining population, a younger generation, that does not want to reproduce, neither working off the available work. We need a solution for that. So we need systems, that learns human knowledge, refines it, makes it better and takes over all of the work. And for programmers: is sitting not the new cig smoking and drinking alcohol for early death?
    - 3y ago
smoldesu 3y ago
But then who would pay OpenAI to keep building bigg- I mean, smarter models?

i have a crazy idea... how about... not focusing on ever increasing the size of ai models, so that we don't need to build all those power-hungry ai training datacenters? just a thought

CuriouslyC 3y ago

Even if the models aren't gargantuan, millions of people using AI applications is going to burn a lot of power.

amelius 3y ago
This only makes their argument stronger.
flextheruler 3y ago
I still haven’t seen a use case that will make AI adopted by the masses I think it’s still mostly hot air. It’s good for what it is for office jobs and higher education, but only for specific tasks and it has to be triple checked. Just yesterday at work I asked it for a Powershell script to upload a local file to S3 and it hallucinated a method. The whole script is like 10 lines. How could it mess that up, but meanwhile it’s about to change the world and be mass adopted? This is Claude 3 the best model for coding… After using these models for awhile I think they’re really helpful to get off the ground in terms of coding and writing and to help review coding and writing, but that’s about all I’ve seen so far. It feels like we’re also getting diminishing returns with the current paradigm so we’ll see if I’ll be eating my hat next year, but I really don’t see mass adoption like a search engine.
- CuriouslyC 3y ago
  I've had GPT4 produce quite a bit of useful code, and it's indispensable when working with new libraries or in new domains.
  - parpfish 3y ago
    Even if every dev in the world adopted an LLM copilot, that’s a teeny tiny sliver of “the masses”.
    - CuriouslyC 3y ago
      Except that LLMs are going to eat into everything white collar. Law, medicine, writing, common office tasks, etc. Beyond that, a function calling chat interface enables a class of application that couldn't exist without it.
- bongodongobob 3y ago
  I use ChatGPT4 daily for powershell scripts. The only time it seems to hallucinate is when I'm forcing it to use 4.0 rather than 5.1 or 7.
- GaggiX 3y ago
  Has AI not already been adopted by the masses?
  - parpfish 3y ago
    Absolutely not. I’d wager that a slim majority of Americans have heard of chatGPT, much less have used it, and even fewer have done something useful/productive with it. Here are stats from 6 months ago, I doubt it’s changed significantly since then: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/28/most-americans-havent-used-chatgpt-few-think-it-will-have-a-major-impact-on-their-job/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/08/28/most-amer...
    - GaggiX 3y ago
      >about four-in-ten adults under 30 have used it That seems pretty massive honestly, that's way beyond what I would consider adopted by the masses.
      - parpfish 3y ago
        That’s four intern among those that have heard of it. So cut that in half to get the percentage of the population. Or another way of thinking of it: among people that have heard of your free-to-use product, a majority haven’t bothered to try it.

infecto 3y ago

It’s always interesting to see these ideas on a tech forum. Should we as humanity stop right here? Draw a line in the sand and not do anything new? Maybe we should move backwards, skipping the Industrial Revolution and go back to each individual growing their own food? This is a serious question. What do you propose? Because you are not able to pick and choose what humanity tries out, so shall we stop entirely?

amelius 3y ago
> Should we as humanity stop right here? Draw a line in the sand and not do anything new? There will be a point when the answer is "yes". For example, when we can produce hobby 3d printers for biological viruses. Or DIY kits for nuclear weapons. Or cameras that are the size of a grain of sand and cost only 1 cent. Stuff that some individuals might want, but society will never be ready for.
makerdiety 3y ago
What people want is limited by their ability level. And there's no reason to ever be bullish on liberal (classical) society's capacity for intentional change. Human agency doesn't mean shit.
korijn 3y ago
We should invent solutions for problems that we have, instead of wildly trying to apply this tech to everything we can think of. We are skipping the benefit/cost considerations.
- okr 3y ago
  Is AI not a solution for our problems? I can imagine a declining population, a younger generation, that does not want to reproduce, neither working off the available work. We need a solution for that. So we need systems, that learns human knowledge, refines it, makes it better and takes over all of the work. And for programmers: is sitting not the new cig smoking and drinking alcohol for early death?
  - 3y ago

smoldesu 3y ago

But then who would pay OpenAI to keep building bigg- I mean, smarter models?