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Honestly, I am no longer interested in Apple due to its discontinuance of MacOS updates for older systems. My next purchase will either be a Framework or a Tux

Honestly, I am no longer interested in Apple due to its discontinuance of MacOS updates for older systems. My next purchase will either be a Framework or a Tuxedo.

HumblyTossed 3y ago
How long should they support an older system?
- djaouen 3y ago
  They don't have to. I am just not their target demographic. I want my laptops to last 10+ years.
  - lowercased 3y ago
    "Lasting" and "supported" are obviously different things. How much support do you get for a laptop from 2013/2014? I guess Linux stuff can still run, but I would imagine for most folks, there's going to be a practical limit re the software they want or need to run still working on hardware that old. Software will still run, but possibly not with newer security patches. And yep, with open source you can patch some of it yourself, but that market seems niche, and yes, that's not going to be Apple for your preferences.
    - timbit42 3y ago
      You can keep upgrading Windows indefinitely. You don't have to have TPM to install Windows 11.
- beretguy 3y ago
  They just shouldn’t artificially prevent installation of newer software.
martinky24 3y ago
Wait til this guy figures out that new versions of Android won't install on older systems.
- djaouen 3y ago
  My Guix System runs perfectly fine on my 10 year old MSI. But I guess that doesn't count?
- CharlesW 3y ago
  Windows too. I recently had to toss a 10-year-old PC because the recent versions of Windows refused to install on it. For Mac users who want to run current/recent versions of macOS on old Macs, I've successfully used OpenCore Legacy Patcher to run Sonoma on a 10-year-old Mac mini.
  - beretguy 3y ago
    Should have installed Linux on it.
  - timbit42 3y ago
    It's not difficult to install Windows 11 on an old machine. There are ways around the installer.
zshrc 3y ago
Even when macOS is unsupported, Asahi has given the M1 the chance to live for a very long time.
- djaouen 3y ago
  The Asahi developers do great work, but I have heard it is not yet at the quality necessary for daily driving. I might be wrong here, however, and I will give it a try once Apple stops updating my M1.
  - hnbear 3y ago
    No, but you have 6 or so years of use before you need to switch to Asahi and maybe it'll be a daily driver by then.
beretguy 3y ago
People like you and I unfortunately are a minority. For some reason people think that if product lasts for a few years it’s perfectly normal. Laptops should be upgradable and lasting 10-15+ years until software advances to such a degree that hardware can no longer support it.

Honestly, I am no longer interested in Apple due to its discontinuance of MacOS updates for older systems. My next purchase will either be a Framework or a Tuxedo.

HumblyTossed 3y ago

How long should they support an older system?

djaouen 3y ago
They don't have to. I am just not their target demographic. I want my laptops to last 10+ years.
- lowercased 3y ago
  "Lasting" and "supported" are obviously different things. How much support do you get for a laptop from 2013/2014? I guess Linux stuff can still run, but I would imagine for most folks, there's going to be a practical limit re the software they want or need to run still working on hardware that old. Software will still run, but possibly not with newer security patches. And yep, with open source you can patch some of it yourself, but that market seems niche, and yes, that's not going to be Apple for your preferences.
  - timbit42 3y ago
    You can keep upgrading Windows indefinitely. You don't have to have TPM to install Windows 11.
beretguy 3y ago
They just shouldn’t artificially prevent installation of newer software.

martinky24 3y ago

Wait til this guy figures out that new versions of Android won't install on older systems.

djaouen 3y ago
My Guix System runs perfectly fine on my 10 year old MSI. But I guess that doesn't count?
CharlesW 3y ago
Windows too. I recently had to toss a 10-year-old PC because the recent versions of Windows refused to install on it. For Mac users who want to run current/recent versions of macOS on old Macs, I've successfully used OpenCore Legacy Patcher to run Sonoma on a 10-year-old Mac mini.
- beretguy 3y ago
  Should have installed Linux on it.
- timbit42 3y ago
  It's not difficult to install Windows 11 on an old machine. There are ways around the installer.

zshrc 3y ago

Even when macOS is unsupported, Asahi has given the M1 the chance to live for a very long time.

djaouen 3y ago
The Asahi developers do great work, but I have heard it is not yet at the quality necessary for daily driving. I might be wrong here, however, and I will give it a try once Apple stops updating my M1.
- hnbear 3y ago
  No, but you have 6 or so years of use before you need to switch to Asahi and maybe it'll be a daily driver by then.

beretguy 3y ago

People like you and I unfortunately are a minority. For some reason people think that if product lasts for a few years it’s perfectly normal. Laptops should be upgradable and lasting 10-15+ years until software advances to such a degree that hardware can no longer support it.