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No it won’t. It will still be seen as 4x the price of the Quest 3.

by evan_ 3y ago

hedora 3y ago
It could play out like the iPhone where it costs N times more than the competition, but lasts 2N times longer, and has better resale value. (For iPhone, N is ~1.5) I’m having a hard time imagining that level of planned obsolescence for VR displays though. If anything, I’d expect the quest 4 (or 5, or whatever generation matches Apple specs) to last longer. Of course, it’s a moot point for me and the large percentage of the population that will never strap Facebook-controlled eye trackers to their head.
- i5-2520M 3y ago
  iPhones on average don't last 3 times as much ib people's hands as Android phones that cost 66% as much. Better resale value is fair, but I am contesting that 2N figure strongly.
  - hedora 3y ago
    I regularly replace my screen 1-2 times between iPhone upgrades, and have never kept one until end of security update support. I've never managed to replace an android screen, and have only replaced one android phone that still had security update support (I've only bought flagship androids.)
  - bashinator 3y ago
    I replaced my iPhone X this year, with a 15 that I anticipate owning at least another 5-6 years.
    - ngokevin 3y ago
      I'm still on iPhone X, runs super smooth. The older iPhone X runs better than my test Galaxy S20 which is newer than the iPhone X by many years. I also have a Galaxy Edge from the same year as the iPhone X. The Samsung is completely unusable. Every tap takes seconds for anything to respond.
      - bashinator 3y ago
        The accelerometer on my X finally started failing, making it impossible to hang up voice calls. It wouldn't turn the screen back on after I took the phone away from my face :-D
diffeomorphism 3y ago
Looking at the number of articles which compare m3 macbooks against "intel" but mean "the intel macbook from years ago", I totally expect to read lots of articles which pretend non-apple devices don't exist.
- esafak 3y ago
  Given that those Intel laptops run Windows, which today is worse than any old version of MacOS, can you blame them?
  - int_19h 3y ago
    Worse for what, though? If you do a lot of gaming, for example, macOS is in many ways worse than Linux even.
  - serf 3y ago
    I hate windows as much as the herd, but OS choice isn't always as clean as "better or worse". I need to run Windows in some form for various industry specific needs that a VM or emulation simply cannot meet at the moment. I don't like it, but that isn't going to change the state of things. It's a delight to be able to choose what and where you work with, but it's not the reality a lot of us have to deal with.
- MBCook 3y ago
  In some ways that’s understandable and can be very helpful. Because if you’re a Mac person looking to buy a new Mac then that may be what you have. Newer Intel Macs don’t exist. If you’re a PC user looking to switch to Mac, or you’re looking for a machine and don’t care about which operating system it has, then it’s less useful.
veidr 3y ago
So what? the iPhones have 4x the price of mid-tier Android phones the whole time. The point is, for now the AVP is the only iPhone-tier (Pro Ultra Whatever) VR headset. Meta's crap (I have all of them) is analogous to the mid tier budget phones, in this metaphor. (Even the fantastically expensive Quest Pro is just like... an insult, even though it does have eye tracking which is now absolute minimum table stakes (and Quest 3 doesn't have it)) The current price it too high to go mainstream, yes, for sure. But let's see the next. AVP 3Gs could fuckin' destabilize the fuck out of this whole nascent ecosystem.
- jamespo 3y ago
  People can justify the price of an iPhone as they use it ALL the time.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  This is what people seem to be missing. Until now, VR headsets were used almost exclusively for gaming, even if they were capable of other things. The AVP was made to be a general use device in a way that other headsets just aren’t. This is like iPhone vs. flip phones in 2006 as far as I can tell. Yes, your flip phone can play music, take pictures, use the internet, etc. just like an iPhone. But, you would be a fool think the devices are in the same league. Apple just sort of defined a genre of product that didn't exist.
samatman 3y ago
People who want an Apple VR headset may not know, and certainly don't care, that Facebook also sells one.
MBCook 3y ago
It’s the first one. Apple packed a ridiculous amount of ultra powerful stuff in it. As the article says they may find out that they don’t need some of that stuff. Also we know that everything gets cheaper overtime. And Apple put an absolute ridiculous amount of money into designing and building that thing and they’re trying to recoup some of that. But by version two or three a lot more of it will have already been recouped and it won’t be as necessary to keep the prices high. The first color televisions, cell phones, refrigerators, computers, and microwave ovens were not exactly cheap either. The price will come down.
dghlsakjg 3y ago
In the same way that a MacBook is 4x the price of an Xbox. As far as the market is concerned: the Quest is a gaming platform that can do computer stuff if needed. The AVP is a computer that can do gaming stuff.

No it won’t. It will still be seen as 4x the price of the Quest 3.

by evan_ 3y ago

No it won’t. It will still be seen as 4x the price of the Quest 3.

It could play out like the iPhone where it costs N times more than the competition, but lasts 2N times longer, and has better resale value. (For iPhone, N is ~1.5) I’m having a hard time imagining that level of planned obsolescence for VR displays though. If anything, I’d expect the quest 4 (or 5, or whatever generation matches Apple specs) to last longer. Of course, it’s a moot point for me and the large percentage of the population that will never strap Facebook-controlled eye trackers to their head.

i5-2520M 3y ago
iPhones on average don't last 3 times as much ib people's hands as Android phones that cost 66% as much. Better resale value is fair, but I am contesting that 2N figure strongly.
- hedora 3y ago
  I regularly replace my screen 1-2 times between iPhone upgrades, and have never kept one until end of security update support. I've never managed to replace an android screen, and have only replaced one android phone that still had security update support (I've only bought flagship androids.)
- bashinator 3y ago
  I replaced my iPhone X this year, with a 15 that I anticipate owning at least another 5-6 years.
  - ngokevin 3y ago
    I'm still on iPhone X, runs super smooth. The older iPhone X runs better than my test Galaxy S20 which is newer than the iPhone X by many years. I also have a Galaxy Edge from the same year as the iPhone X. The Samsung is completely unusable. Every tap takes seconds for anything to respond.
    - bashinator 3y ago
      The accelerometer on my X finally started failing, making it impossible to hang up voice calls. It wouldn't turn the screen back on after I took the phone away from my face :-D

diffeomorphism 3y ago

Looking at the number of articles which compare m3 macbooks against "intel" but mean "the intel macbook from years ago", I totally expect to read lots of articles which pretend non-apple devices don't exist.

esafak 3y ago
Given that those Intel laptops run Windows, which today is worse than any old version of MacOS, can you blame them?
- int_19h 3y ago
  Worse for what, though? If you do a lot of gaming, for example, macOS is in many ways worse than Linux even.
- serf 3y ago
  I hate windows as much as the herd, but OS choice isn't always as clean as "better or worse". I need to run Windows in some form for various industry specific needs that a VM or emulation simply cannot meet at the moment. I don't like it, but that isn't going to change the state of things. It's a delight to be able to choose what and where you work with, but it's not the reality a lot of us have to deal with.
MBCook 3y ago
In some ways that’s understandable and can be very helpful. Because if you’re a Mac person looking to buy a new Mac then that may be what you have. Newer Intel Macs don’t exist. If you’re a PC user looking to switch to Mac, or you’re looking for a machine and don’t care about which operating system it has, then it’s less useful.

veidr 3y ago

So what? the iPhones have 4x the price of mid-tier Android phones the whole time. The point is, for now the AVP is the only iPhone-tier (Pro Ultra Whatever) VR headset. Meta's crap (I have all of them) is analogous to the mid tier budget phones, in this metaphor. (Even the fantastically expensive Quest Pro is just like... an insult, even though it does have eye tracking which is now absolute minimum table stakes (and Quest 3 doesn't have it)) The current price it too high to go mainstream, yes, for sure. But let's see the next. AVP 3Gs could fuckin' destabilize the fuck out of this whole nascent ecosystem.

jamespo 3y ago
People can justify the price of an iPhone as they use it ALL the time.
dghlsakjg 3y ago
This is what people seem to be missing. Until now, VR headsets were used almost exclusively for gaming, even if they were capable of other things. The AVP was made to be a general use device in a way that other headsets just aren’t. This is like iPhone vs. flip phones in 2006 as far as I can tell. Yes, your flip phone can play music, take pictures, use the internet, etc. just like an iPhone. But, you would be a fool think the devices are in the same league. Apple just sort of defined a genre of product that didn't exist.

samatman 3y ago

People who want an Apple VR headset may not know, and certainly don't care, that Facebook also sells one.

MBCook 3y ago

It’s the first one. Apple packed a ridiculous amount of ultra powerful stuff in it. As the article says they may find out that they don’t need some of that stuff. Also we know that everything gets cheaper overtime. And Apple put an absolute ridiculous amount of money into designing and building that thing and they’re trying to recoup some of that. But by version two or three a lot more of it will have already been recouped and it won’t be as necessary to keep the prices high. The first color televisions, cell phones, refrigerators, computers, and microwave ovens were not exactly cheap either. The price will come down.

dghlsakjg 3y ago

In the same way that a MacBook is 4x the price of an Xbox. As far as the market is concerned: the Quest is a gaming platform that can do computer stuff if needed. The AVP is a computer that can do gaming stuff.