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I find it hard to believe that there many people in this world worth the kind of professional assassination that could avoid all of the widespread surveillance

I find it hard to believe that there many people in this world worth the kind of professional assassination that could avoid all of the widespread surveillance apparatus (consumer surveillance cameras, leaving behind no genetic data) and the advances in post-mortem medical examination, but maybe I'm just naïve.

theultdev 3y ago
Well, the cameras could go off for an hour and both guards could be asleep for the same hour. -- edit: on a meta note, why did this submission flash on the homepage, and now I can't find it? edit2: I can't find the dupe submission either: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 edit3: I found this submission now on page 6, it was just on the first page and gaining comments and votes fast until just now. edit4: both submissions are completely gone now off any page. @dang?
- joshstrange 3y ago
  Well yeah, if you want to make up outlandish hypotheticals with no basis in reality /s I think we fall into a false sense of "How could this happen and no one get caught doing it". I know I've had that thought for decades now but murders keep happening and people keep getting away with it. I find myself thinking "Wow, I guess that was easier than I thought it'd be (thinking back 1-4 years), but _now_ it would be harder", the issue is I've had that same thought almost every year so clearly my guess of how hard it would be is way off.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    That wasn't a hypothetical. I was referencing a current event. edit: missed the /s, stupid brain
    - joshstrange 3y ago
      I know, that's why I had the "/s" I know you're referencing Epstein
      - theultdev 3y ago
        My brain completely skipped over that, woops.
        joshstrange 3y ago
        No problem, easy mistake. Joking is the only way I can deal with this stuff.
        theultdev 3y ago
        I feel ya. Side note, for my sanity, did this article disappear off the first page for you as well? It's on page 6 for me now. edit: it's completely gone now off any page.
        joshstrange 3y ago
        Yeah, it did. This type of stuff gets flagged pretty hard so I’m not surprised.
        theultdev 3y ago
        I never saw a [flagged] pop up but that's possible I suppose. The other submission also wasn't flagged, even as of now, but it's gone on the pages. There's much older and deader Boeing articles that are still on pages 3-10.
    - wtfwhateven 3y ago
      they were being sarcastic, hence the /s :P
  - aaomidi 3y ago
    I've obviously never bought a hitman off of the dark web. However, it seems like these services aren't going anywhere. I'm not sure if they're all a scam or what. The interesting case with Boeing is, its not only that the company would want this person gone, but rather the entire US government too. Boeing is "too big to fail."
- Simulacra 3y ago
  That only happens at the Metropolitan detention center, in the Jeffrey Epstein memorial wing.
- bitcharmer 3y ago
  > edit4: both submissions are completely gone now off any page. Front page isn't what we vote for, it's manually curated by dang and other moderators. For actual popular stuff go to /active.
acover 3y ago
How many murders are actually solved?
iancmceachern 3y ago
Well, he was definitely one of them.
smallmancontrov 3y ago
Would YOU want to pursue and present evidence that Boeing just offed a guy for pursuing and presenting evidence?
- Simulacra 3y ago
  Would you want to be the policing agency that did not, only to be later found that it was the case? Authority should investigate and go where the investigation takes them. Have someone look at the camera systems, determine if it has been hacked, look at the footage and compare it - due diligence is not a bad thing.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    You may not want to be the policing agency or agent that did look into it. But yes, authorities should investigate and should go where the investigation takes them. Boeing and friends are too big to actually look into, similar to the island being an event that was too big to actually look into.
  - smallmancontrov 3y ago
    That's not what I asked. Of course I want them to look into it, but I am not the one who has to weigh my own life against the possibility of holding a big company accountable. Would you choose to risk it?
- lr4444lr 3y ago
  A chance to be famous for bringing justice? Absolutely!
Simulacra 3y ago
What kind of "security" are we talking about? Hotel exterior cameras that are cloud controlled by (probably) a large commercial provider? Considering what is possible with hacking that, and that this is an enormously powerful company, I think it's entirely possible that a hit man could have been involved. That said, I think suicide is the most likely cause, but we should avoid failures of imagination and consider the possibility.[0] 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_of_imagination https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_of_imagination
- theultdev 3y ago
  Conversely, there's also these relevant wikipedia articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motive_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motive_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naivety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naivety You can't just take things as face value when people can lie, deceive, plot, and other more horrific things. Especially when there's motive and a wall of coincidences.
bwestergard 3y ago
It seems we hear fairly often about mercenary - as opposed to ideological - killings that are revealed to be such only long after the fact. It would seem gratuitous to assume that all such killings are eventually revealed. For example, the U.S. and German governments have taken the position that the Russian federation conspired to have a Chechen leader killed in Berlin, Germany[1]. He was ultimately caught, and surveillance footage seems to have played a role, but if you look into the details of the case, it seems likely he was an experienced contract killer who could have gotten away with many other lower-profile killings. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili
hugh-avherald 3y ago
A professional hit can cost as little as a few thousand dollars. The persons who do it for that kind of fee aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
kylebenzle 3y ago
LOL, you are indeed, most murders go unsolved and a hit can cost as little as $10k. 99% it is a cartel member and if they do get caught worst case they get sent back to mexico.

theultdev 3y ago

Well, the cameras could go off for an hour and both guards could be asleep for the same hour. -- edit: on a meta note, why did this submission flash on the homepage, and now I can't find it? edit2: I can't find the dupe submission either: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712618 edit3: I found this submission now on page 6, it was just on the first page and gaining comments and votes fast until just now. edit4: both submissions are completely gone now off any page. @dang?

joshstrange 3y ago
Well yeah, if you want to make up outlandish hypotheticals with no basis in reality /s I think we fall into a false sense of "How could this happen and no one get caught doing it". I know I've had that thought for decades now but murders keep happening and people keep getting away with it. I find myself thinking "Wow, I guess that was easier than I thought it'd be (thinking back 1-4 years), but _now_ it would be harder", the issue is I've had that same thought almost every year so clearly my guess of how hard it would be is way off.
- theultdev 3y ago
  That wasn't a hypothetical. I was referencing a current event. edit: missed the /s, stupid brain
  - joshstrange 3y ago
    I know, that's why I had the "/s" I know you're referencing Epstein
    - theultdev 3y ago
      My brain completely skipped over that, woops.
      - joshstrange 3y ago
        No problem, easy mistake. Joking is the only way I can deal with this stuff.
        theultdev 3y ago
        I feel ya. Side note, for my sanity, did this article disappear off the first page for you as well? It's on page 6 for me now. edit: it's completely gone now off any page.
        joshstrange 3y ago
        Yeah, it did. This type of stuff gets flagged pretty hard so I’m not surprised.
        theultdev 3y ago
        I never saw a [flagged] pop up but that's possible I suppose. The other submission also wasn't flagged, even as of now, but it's gone on the pages. There's much older and deader Boeing articles that are still on pages 3-10.
  - wtfwhateven 3y ago
    they were being sarcastic, hence the /s :P
- aaomidi 3y ago
  I've obviously never bought a hitman off of the dark web. However, it seems like these services aren't going anywhere. I'm not sure if they're all a scam or what. The interesting case with Boeing is, its not only that the company would want this person gone, but rather the entire US government too. Boeing is "too big to fail."
Simulacra 3y ago
That only happens at the Metropolitan detention center, in the Jeffrey Epstein memorial wing.
bitcharmer 3y ago
> edit4: both submissions are completely gone now off any page. Front page isn't what we vote for, it's manually curated by dang and other moderators. For actual popular stuff go to /active.

acover 3y ago

How many murders are actually solved?

iancmceachern 3y ago

Well, he was definitely one of them.

smallmancontrov 3y ago

Would YOU want to pursue and present evidence that Boeing just offed a guy for pursuing and presenting evidence?

Simulacra 3y ago
Would you want to be the policing agency that did not, only to be later found that it was the case? Authority should investigate and go where the investigation takes them. Have someone look at the camera systems, determine if it has been hacked, look at the footage and compare it - due diligence is not a bad thing.
- theultdev 3y ago
  You may not want to be the policing agency or agent that did look into it. But yes, authorities should investigate and should go where the investigation takes them. Boeing and friends are too big to actually look into, similar to the island being an event that was too big to actually look into.
- smallmancontrov 3y ago
  That's not what I asked. Of course I want them to look into it, but I am not the one who has to weigh my own life against the possibility of holding a big company accountable. Would you choose to risk it?
lr4444lr 3y ago
A chance to be famous for bringing justice? Absolutely!

Simulacra 3y ago

What kind of "security" are we talking about? Hotel exterior cameras that are cloud controlled by (probably) a large commercial provider? Considering what is possible with hacking that, and that this is an enormously powerful company, I think it's entirely possible that a hit man could have been involved. That said, I think suicide is the most likely cause, but we should avoid failures of imagination and consider the possibility.[0] 0. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_of_imagination https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_of_imagination

theultdev 3y ago
Conversely, there's also these relevant wikipedia articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motive_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motive_(law) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naivety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naivety You can't just take things as face value when people can lie, deceive, plot, and other more horrific things. Especially when there's motive and a wall of coincidences.

bwestergard 3y ago

It seems we hear fairly often about mercenary - as opposed to ideological - killings that are revealed to be such only long after the fact. It would seem gratuitous to assume that all such killings are eventually revealed. For example, the U.S. and German governments have taken the position that the Russian federation conspired to have a Chechen leader killed in Berlin, Germany[1]. He was ultimately caught, and surveillance footage seems to have played a role, but if you look into the details of the case, it seems likely he was an experienced contract killer who could have gotten away with many other lower-profile killings. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelimkhan_Khangoshvili

hugh-avherald 3y ago

A professional hit can cost as little as a few thousand dollars. The persons who do it for that kind of fee aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

kylebenzle 3y ago

LOL, you are indeed, most murders go unsolved and a hit can cost as little as $10k. 99% it is a cartel member and if they do get caught worst case they get sent back to mexico.