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I don’t understand the motivation behind Boeing ordering the hit. The guy already let out all the dirty laundry and nothing he said can further damage Boeings r

I don’t understand the motivation behind Boeing ordering the hit. The guy already let out all the dirty laundry and nothing he said can further damage Boeings reputation. So why do it? I’d think it’s one of Boeings stockholders who had a judge against him speaking out.

Traubenfuchs 3y ago
A late message to potential future whistleblowers. You think crazy Jennifer made this up for her 5 minutes of fame?
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sxg 3y ago
We don't know that all the laundry has been let out. It's also possible that there could be criminal charges against some of Boeing's leadership if this guy were to testify against them or if he had more info.
- Simulacra 3y ago
  I'm not a lawyer, but if he was dead before the deposition, it doesn't really count. In order to have any weight, he would've had to been under oath, in a deposition, some type of very official interview and documentation. It's like when a mob witness goes missing. If they can't testify, they can't testify.
lupusreal 3y ago
Boeing is presently in the middle of a coverup; they don't want anybody coming forward with information that Boeing management knew about the "opening a plug door" process shortcut.
iancmceachern 3y ago
Maybe there was more (unaired dirty laundry)
reactordev 3y ago
Let's break it down. He was about to under-go day 3 of whistleblower testimony. He had already given 2 days worth and they have found instances worth following up with criminal investigations. Guy's in a hotel (probably under his name) and is found in his car - shot to death in what appears to be a suicide. Then this, saying he stated that "If anything happens to me...", then Boeing "conveniently" overwriting the door bolt safety footage, etc has all the hallmarks of it being a hit. To protect Boeing from criminal investigation and costing the company potentially billions in fines and lost sales. I'm in the camp that they did, in fact, hire someone or someone within their organization did to protect their interests in this case. Whether it's from corporate or from just the group of folks that might/would/will be indicted from the whistleblowers testimony. You don't land on 21-black 3 times in a row and say it's luck.
- alphabettsy 3y ago
  He was not going into “whistleblower” testimony. He was suing Boeing for defamation And his claims were that Boeing retaliated against him for being a whistleblower. It might seem like the same thing, but it’s not. And the instances promoting criminal investigation are related to the 737 probes, not the 787 that he was a whistleblower about. There no evidence his civil case was the impetus for those criminal probes.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    Ok, “private testimony against his company”… Also to say that Foo in Green is in no way connected to Foo in Blue is a farce. 737,777,787, they all share a safety process and protocol. To say he was talking about oranges when the probes are about apples when it’s all about the Grocery Store is absurd. It’s connected. May not be directly connected, but it’s connected. It’s bad management, bad practice, sus circumstances, a coverup on the left and a dead body on the right.
cmiles74 3y ago
They were scheduled for an additional day of deposition. Apparently there was more "dirty laundry" to talk about.
- baja_blast 3y ago
  And not to mention a potential criminal trail from the DOJ. He would be a key witness against individuals for a criminal case that bubbles up to the top brass.
LiquidSky 3y ago
Sends a pretty clear message to anyone else thinking of speaking up.
baja_blast 3y ago
Sure he may have already aired out what Boeing was doing, but he was only talking about general actions. But given that DOJ is looking into a criminal investigation that means he can name names, and testify against individuals which would bubble up the chain since lower level management just follows upper management’s direction. Also there could have been key information unsurfaced that he may not even know the importance of that the legal team would have spotted. I mean why would someone who has given up everything to blow the whistle and devoted the past 7 years trying to get something done about it all a sudden kill himself in the middle of a trail and before a potential DOJ criminal investigation? The man had a mission, why would he do Boeing a favor and kill himself so that he could not testify at a criminal hearing? Imagine this in a criminal trail he would testify against his direct managers who would then just say “hey, I was told by my boss to tell him to do x” and then it bubbles up the chain to the executives.
dragonwriter 3y ago
Why would someone under criminal investigation kill a key witness after they had talked but before they could testify? Not only are the reasons fairly obvious, but the history of that being exactly what happens is pretty compelling evidence that, independently of arguments over its rationality, that is very much a thing people in that situation do.
- kylebenzle 3y ago
  Maybe they threatened him at first not to talk, he did, then they killed him.
kylebenzle 3y ago
There would be revolution in the streets tomorrow if the average person understood where money comes from and how it works. Once a group of people is wired into the free money pipeline they will do ANYTHING to make sure their supply is not cut off. The USA has been printing and giving away free money for 30+ years now. The recipients of those funds have proven again and again, they will and do commit heinous crimes to maintain their position. 1) The legislature - Law makers have been captured through campaign contributions. In MOST cases a law maker has no say in how they vote, they are told by their campaign managers. 2) The judicial - Similarly judges tend to run for their seat every 4 years. In family court any divorce attorney worth their salt is donating the maximum amount to every judge every time they run. Then when they are in front of the judge in court just a thumbs up and a nod is enough to remind the judge who REALLY got them elected. 3) Corporations are DONE paying taxes and have been for a long time. Successful corporations have figured out how to siphon money from not only their customers but their employees and the federal government as well. 4) The money supply and system in general is fucked beyond repair and anyone willing or able to point that out is going to be on the "kill list".

Traubenfuchs 3y ago

A late message to potential future whistleblowers. You think crazy Jennifer made this up for her 5 minutes of fame?

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sxg 3y ago

We don't know that all the laundry has been let out. It's also possible that there could be criminal charges against some of Boeing's leadership if this guy were to testify against them or if he had more info.

Simulacra 3y ago
I'm not a lawyer, but if he was dead before the deposition, it doesn't really count. In order to have any weight, he would've had to been under oath, in a deposition, some type of very official interview and documentation. It's like when a mob witness goes missing. If they can't testify, they can't testify.

lupusreal 3y ago

Boeing is presently in the middle of a coverup; they don't want anybody coming forward with information that Boeing management knew about the "opening a plug door" process shortcut.

iancmceachern 3y ago

Maybe there was more (unaired dirty laundry)

reactordev 3y ago

Let's break it down. He was about to under-go day 3 of whistleblower testimony. He had already given 2 days worth and they have found instances worth following up with criminal investigations. Guy's in a hotel (probably under his name) and is found in his car - shot to death in what appears to be a suicide. Then this, saying he stated that "If anything happens to me...", then Boeing "conveniently" overwriting the door bolt safety footage, etc has all the hallmarks of it being a hit. To protect Boeing from criminal investigation and costing the company potentially billions in fines and lost sales. I'm in the camp that they did, in fact, hire someone or someone within their organization did to protect their interests in this case. Whether it's from corporate or from just the group of folks that might/would/will be indicted from the whistleblowers testimony. You don't land on 21-black 3 times in a row and say it's luck.

alphabettsy 3y ago
He was not going into “whistleblower” testimony. He was suing Boeing for defamation And his claims were that Boeing retaliated against him for being a whistleblower. It might seem like the same thing, but it’s not. And the instances promoting criminal investigation are related to the 737 probes, not the 787 that he was a whistleblower about. There no evidence his civil case was the impetus for those criminal probes.
- reactordev 3y ago
  Ok, “private testimony against his company”… Also to say that Foo in Green is in no way connected to Foo in Blue is a farce. 737,777,787, they all share a safety process and protocol. To say he was talking about oranges when the probes are about apples when it’s all about the Grocery Store is absurd. It’s connected. May not be directly connected, but it’s connected. It’s bad management, bad practice, sus circumstances, a coverup on the left and a dead body on the right.

cmiles74 3y ago

They were scheduled for an additional day of deposition. Apparently there was more "dirty laundry" to talk about.

baja_blast 3y ago
And not to mention a potential criminal trail from the DOJ. He would be a key witness against individuals for a criminal case that bubbles up to the top brass.

LiquidSky 3y ago

Sends a pretty clear message to anyone else thinking of speaking up.

baja_blast 3y ago

Sure he may have already aired out what Boeing was doing, but he was only talking about general actions. But given that DOJ is looking into a criminal investigation that means he can name names, and testify against individuals which would bubble up the chain since lower level management just follows upper management’s direction. Also there could have been key information unsurfaced that he may not even know the importance of that the legal team would have spotted. I mean why would someone who has given up everything to blow the whistle and devoted the past 7 years trying to get something done about it all a sudden kill himself in the middle of a trail and before a potential DOJ criminal investigation? The man had a mission, why would he do Boeing a favor and kill himself so that he could not testify at a criminal hearing? Imagine this in a criminal trail he would testify against his direct managers who would then just say “hey, I was told by my boss to tell him to do x” and then it bubbles up the chain to the executives.

dragonwriter 3y ago

Why would someone under criminal investigation kill a key witness after they had talked but before they could testify? Not only are the reasons fairly obvious, but the history of that being exactly what happens is pretty compelling evidence that, independently of arguments over its rationality, that is very much a thing people in that situation do.

kylebenzle 3y ago
Maybe they threatened him at first not to talk, he did, then they killed him.

kylebenzle 3y ago

There would be revolution in the streets tomorrow if the average person understood where money comes from and how it works. Once a group of people is wired into the free money pipeline they will do ANYTHING to make sure their supply is not cut off. The USA has been printing and giving away free money for 30+ years now. The recipients of those funds have proven again and again, they will and do commit heinous crimes to maintain their position. 1) The legislature - Law makers have been captured through campaign contributions. In MOST cases a law maker has no say in how they vote, they are told by their campaign managers. 2) The judicial - Similarly judges tend to run for their seat every 4 years. In family court any divorce attorney worth their salt is donating the maximum amount to every judge every time they run. Then when they are in front of the judge in court just a thumbs up and a nod is enough to remind the judge who REALLY got them elected. 3) Corporations are DONE paying taxes and have been for a long time. Successful corporations have figured out how to siphon money from not only their customers but their employees and the federal government as well. 4) The money supply and system in general is fucked beyond repair and anyone willing or able to point that out is going to be on the "kill list".