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While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing
by geek_at 3y ago
While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoI worked for an eBay Inc. company as an executive, never thought that could happen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_stalking_scandal
- DonHopkins 3y agoI could certainly believe Boeing would do something like that before I'd ever imagine eBay would, yet eBay did what they did. The stakes are MUCH higher for Boeing, and we already know quite well that Boeing decided to put many human lives at risk to save money, and that's already resulted in many deaths. And they have a long history of making products designed specifically for killing humans. https://www.boeing.com/defense https://www.boeing.com/defense >This trusted partnership continues as defense customers once again look to Boeing to help them solve their toughest challenges. Faking a suicide isn't a particularly tough challenge.
- themoonisachees 3y agoBoeing also has very privileged relations with various three letter agencies.
- echelon_musk 3y agoIndeed. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/bnd-intelligence-scandal-puts-merkel-in-tight-place-a-1031944.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/bnd-intelligenc...
- johnnyanmac 3y agoI could never imagine eBay doing this in 2019. 2 bloggers really got a CEO this hot and bothered? Were they really causing that much of a hit to ebay's sales or rep? This sounds like one of those early 2000's trolling moments before such commentary conformed into a blob on modern social media. But given the rest of the events of the '20's I shouldn't be that surprised.
- weedfire 3y ago[flagged]
- lukan 3y agoNever heard of that before. What stands out to me is, that the executive person ordering it, Steve Wymer, was not charged at all, despite making very plain statements: "Wymer texted Baugh that Ina Steiner was a "biased troll who needs to be BURNED DOWN"; that he wanted "to see ashes"; and that Baugh should do "whatever it takes."" I would imagine the same will happen here(if it was murder). Some pawns get executed, who "missunderstood their orders". Mafia bosses seems to operate like this as well. They don't give plain orders to kill someone. But their underlings know what is expected of them, by a certain nod or comment.
- KingOfCoders 3y agoOnce in another company, the CEO told the legal counsel in a meeting, don't send me emails, do what is needed.
- rasz 3y agoThere is a scene in Antitrust (@8:40) where Gates says something similar while planning a murder: >The cold, hard facts are that anything is possible. >Anything, anything. You're just not thinking creatively. >I have every confidence that you can do that, Phil.
- the_du_ 3y agoI loved that movie I was quite young
- dylan604 3y agoIt's always hard for that lone wolf to know if it's just a dog whistle or a true call to action. But I'm sure that's exactly the way it's intended to allow for plausible deniability. "I never meant for someone to take me seriously. I was just venting. Locker room talk."
- lukan 3y agoThat's the difference between a good and a bad employee. Or rather, the good employee delivers results, (does not get caught) and the boss asks no questions regarding the details.
- madaxe_again 3y agoBoeing is also deeply entwined with state/political entities with a strong vested interest in preserving the status quo who may not be squeamish about direct action. Against the general backdrop of Boeing’s woes, suiciding a whistleblower is low-hanging fruit. Who knows. Maybe he has a deadman’s set up.
- XorNot 3y agoContrary to popular belief, there is not a readily and highly available supply of assassins and hitmen in the world. The problem with this whole "he totally didn't kill himself" thing is...okay, so how did they kill him? Because you can't just put a gun in the hand of an unwilling person and force them to shoot themselves without leaving evidence.
- vasco 3y agoYou put the gun in their hands after you shoot them, as in every movie ever.
- sfn42 3y agoFiring a gun leaves residue on your hands etc. They can tell whether you fired it
- sethammons 3y agoI'm not a trained killer, but I have watched some movies. To account for residue, just place the firearm in the corpse's hand, point in a random upward trajectory and pull back on the dead person's trigger finger. Optionally, replace the spent bullet in the gun's magazine. I feel you would have come up with this same solution had you needed to.
- temp-of-course 3y ago[flagged]
- raizer88 3y agoBoing is so entrenched with defence contractors that any one of them could have killed him to preserve existing contracts to be canned do to some "deep restructuring" due to the trial.
- hughesjj 3y agoI really wish Boeing defense got spun off, them being under the same leadership is a threat to national security. The infection is only growing as they continue to share leadership. Could the union elect/nominate new leadership, or are they corrupt these days as well?
- otherme123 3y agoCuriously, the Boeing branch that works for defense comes from the McDonell-Douglas buy: pre-merge Boeing main bussiness was comercial airplanes, MD was focused on military contracts. And arguably, all the current Boeing problems come from that buy/merge.
- hayst4ck 3y ago> I really wish Boeing defense got spun off, them being under the same leadership is a threat to national security. Don't look at their board of directors unless you want to fully realize the magnitude of what you don't yet realize you're saying!
- dolmen 3y agohttps://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-governance#board https://www.boeing.com/company/general-info/corporate-govern...
- dolmen 3y agoAirbus has the same structure with feets both in civil aviation and the defense industry, like if nobody could make business without those ties.
- jonathankoren 3y agoKaren Silkwood died under very suspicious circumstances. She had documents that described Kerr-McGee lax safety at a plutonium fuel plant, that went missing after her car was found with damage to rear in an ostensibly single car front end fatal accident, along with a cocktail of illegal drugs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood
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- gonzo41 3y agoTime for everyone to rewatch Michael Clayton. Boeing is a defense contractor. They'll have 'contacts'.
- easyThrowaway 3y agoOr literally anyone else at the company whose job was at jeopardy because of the revelations.
- anon291 3y agoPart of the issue is that many defense contractors are sucked into the idea that they're doing something for the 'greater good', and the moment people en masse enter that thoughtspace, it's actually pretty easy to get them to commit terrible deeds.