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Cockpit mishap seen as likely cause of plunge on Latam Boeing 787
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- some1else 3y agoInteresting to see that the passenger in the video contradicts that explanation with his testimony of the pilot saying the instruments went blank for a few seconds.
- lqet 3y agoThe pilot might not have given the true reason to passengers.
- imglorp 3y agoI find the dark screen report persuasive because there's an air worthiness directive against that 787 which will cause the reset of flight control l computers. That would be consistent with both the dark screens story and the loss of control, if true.
- rootusrootus 3y agoExcept that the expected loss of control would not have suddenly changed the direction of the plane, but instead kept the direction from being suddenly changed.
- imglorp 3y agoNow there's word from Boeing that seat switch can be inadvertantly tripped by touching the cover. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRF1YTVJ1Q4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRF1YTVJ1Q4
- wkat4242 3y agoWould they actually lie though? That's not very professional.
- lqet 3y agoAFAIK, the primary objective of pilots when talking to passengers in situations like this is not to be 100% honest, but to avoid a panic. In this particular instance, he might also have tried to protect the flight attendant or avoid personal/company embarrassment. Although as a passenger, "I was accidentally pushed against the controls" would comfort me much, much more than "the controls of the entire aircraft suddenly went black and we have no idea why".
- vient 3y agoGuess the real reason may also provoke anger in some passengers. You can argue with attendants if you know that crew did it, you can't really argue with a plane or forces of nature. For those passengers providing fake reason would ensure a safe flight.
- Hamuko 3y agoBecause "oops, we almost just accidentally killed all of you" isn't a nice thing to hear mid-flight.
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- lqet 3y agoHere is a video of that switch in operation: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vvlDYAPs3X0 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vvlDYAPs3X0 To me, this seems entirely plausible, even if the movement is relatively slow. Do pilots have their lunch tray on their lap (between the stomach and the controls) when they eat? Maybe the pilot asked the flight attendant to move the seat back so that they could eat comfortably (as they obviously cannot reach that control themselves), and it was moved in the wrong direction accidentally?
- KineticLensman 3y agoNot commenting on this specific case, but it is possible for things held (or not) by pilots to affect the controls. An RAF Voyager (strategic lift aircraft based on the A330) dived 4000ft because the pilot was using a personal camera throughout the flight and it got stuck between his seat and the joystick, and his failure to admit it caused an accident investigation that temporarily grounded the entire fleet [0], [1]. [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-raf-jet-made-terrifying-4-400ft-plunge-after-camera-became-lodged-next-to-joystick-9208540.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-raf... [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153163 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39153163
- wkat4242 3y agoIt's also happened to me once that something was dropped and got wedged behind the rudder pedal, blocking its movement. Tiny GA aircraft and we noticed it during the start-up check (when you check the full range of the flight controls). The checklist did its job. But if it had dropped during flight it could have been really dangerous. I can imagine it can happen even in more professional circles.
- HPsquared 3y agoI wonder if the controls could be designed to resist this kind of thing. Only becoming more common with everyone having bulky phones etc in pockets. Maybe they could design rudder pedals without "pinch points" for objects to fall into, and yoke/stick without any potential pinch points nearby.
- amatix 3y agohttps://archive.is/uxPdY https://archive.is/uxPdY
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- ThePowerOfFuet 3y agohttps://archive.ph/uxPdY https://archive.ph/uxPdY
- JonChesterfield 3y agoThat the first port of call is to blame the people on board is completely expected. This one is interesting because the explanation is "our flagship aircraft has a kill-everyone-onboard switch on the pilot chair that someone pushed". That's not totally reassuring from Boeing. I guess it adds to the accumulating reasons to never get on one of their aeroplanes.
- gruez 3y ago>This one is interesting because the explanation is "our flagship aircraft has a kill-everyone-onboard switch on the pilot chair that someone pushed". Wait till you hear about the yoke, or any of the other flight controls.
- JonChesterfield 3y agoI suppose opinion is divided on whether the pilot should be able to crash at will. There's a copilot involved partly on those grounds. Somewhere there's a flow chart missing an exclusive or on adjusting the seat position and putting the plane into a dive. And another one that failed to put the control out of the way of people walking around.
- gruez 3y ago>Somewhere there's a flow chart missing an exclusive or on adjusting the seat position and putting the plane into a dive "Plane crashed because the seat adjustment button got jammed and locked the pilot out of his controls, and he didn't this until it was too late" >And another one that failed to put the control out of the way of people walking around. Other comments in this thread has linked to videos that show the button is behind a cover.
- rootusrootus 3y agoIt's a necessary switch in the right location and protected by a cover. Of all the controls on the flight deck, this is pretty low on my list of concerns. I bet nearly all similar large aircraft have something pretty much equivalent, given the obvious use case.