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> A record 87 student-involved deplatforming attempts occurred in 2023, and 2024 is already on track to beat it — with 18 already recorded as of Feb. 29. Maybe
by komali2 3y ago
> A record 87 student-involved deplatforming attempts occurred in 2023, and 2024 is already on track to beat it — with 18 already recorded as of Feb. 29.
Maybe I'm just a filthy anarchist but I really don't see the issue with this. Not only because communities should be allowed to tell people they don't like to fuck off, but also because the telling-to-fuck-off itself is a valid political action.
A system like a University invites someone like Tomi Lahren or Josh Hammer to come speak, and often leverages violence to ensure that those people are allowed to come and speak - sometimes the state lends violence as well. Yeah, you can not go to the assembly hall that day, but ostensibly when you live on a campus and spend every day there studying and incorporating its culture into yourself, that becomes your community, and I think it's awesome that people reject someone else telling them what their community should put up with.
I think it's sociologically healthy for the community to protest when people like that come to speak, and I think it's sociologically healthy for our species that people with ugly, hateful ideologies face as much resistance as possible, in many forms, all the time.
- hotdogscout 3y agoA victim of Maoist violence represents an "ugly hateful ideology"? This shunning bar has been moved from fascists for some years.
- woooooo 3y agoPlease tell us where the Maoist violence is occurring in 2024.
- hotdogscout 3y agoThis is a loaded question and I can't see how it's related. A victim of Maoist violence was deplatformed by socialist students. Do victims of socialist governments represent such an abhorrent ideology?
- woooooo 3y agoI'm honestly asking what you're talking about, the people mentioned in grandparent comment are american conservative personalities who as far as I know have never been publicly beaten, displayed in a cage and forced to self-criticize.
- hotdogscout 3y agoI was talking about "and the 2023 Whitworth University disinvitation of Xi Van Fleet, a Chinese dissident who grew up during Mao’s Cultural Revolution." The comment claimed only the most vile ideas get deplatformed and a lot of the examples in that article cite people that are not vile but inconvenient to the left.
- woooooo 3y agoHadn't heard of her. Apparently she wrote a book called "Mao's America". Anyways I think you're being unfair to the original comment, they didn't say what you're claiming.
- hotdogscout 3y ago"I think it's sociologically healthy for our species that people with ugly, hateful ideologies face as much resistance as possible, in many forms, all the time." I really don't think I'm being unfair in saying that comment implies the deplatformed people are vile. Given the context of the article what other group could be the "people with ugly, hateful ideologies" if not the deplatformed speakers?
- komali2 3y agoI don't know too much about this woman so I scoped her Twitter feed https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 https://x.com/XVanFleet/status/1768375317695996395?s=20 > Chinese conservative author Yu Jie @yujie89 offers a profile of anti-Trump Chinese “influencers”, both outside and inside China: > They are mostly left-wingers and supporters of BLM. > They are mostly atheists. > They are mostly favored guests/commentators of Chinese language MSM. > Among them is the famous dissident Ai Weiwei. Conflating leftist ideology with BLM when BLM is explicitly a movement against excessive police violence against black people is funny - kinda says the quiet part out loud about what conservatives represent. Not to mention the religious rage baiting. Scrolling through her feed, she seems like your typical American right wing talk show political grifter. You can't "win in the marketplace of ideals" against these people with rigorous logic and spirited debate, if you could, they wouldn't exist, because their entire belief system depends on cognitive fallacy. As someone else put it, modern university students are less naive than that. They understand that people like this woman aren't here to say "can I tell you why I think communism is bad from my time under a communist regime," but instead are asking "can I come rage bait your campus by fear mongering about all leftist ideology, tying it into religious fear mongering and doing a bit of race baiting? I will likely also be fomenting whatever this week's culture war talking points are." And the students, rightly, are engaging this speaker in the way she deserves: protest. Preventing her from speaking isn't really the point, loudly demonstrating her viewpoints aren't welcome is.
- ToValueFunfetti 3y agoI don't think you can make the leap from 'a speaker was deplatformed' to 'the campus community told them to fuck off'. It does not take that many students to disrupt a speaking event.
- major505 3y agoThe thing is not the entire campus comunity. IF someone is invited to speak in a campus, than it menas there are people interested to listen and debate the ideas. IF a loud group interrrupts the process, then they this is delpataforming someone.