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would the same argument apply to Fox News? If not, why not?
by felixgallo 3y ago
would the same argument apply to Fox News? If not, why not?
- squigz 3y agoOf course not. He said "foreign countries". The propaganda outlets at home are harmless.
- thomastjeffery 3y ago[flagged]
- squigz 3y agoI was being sarcastic :)
- thomastjeffery 3y agoI wish I was...
- mlrtime 3y agoSigh, this is tiresome.... Incredibly harmful because you don't agree with conservative politics. The same exact political opinion nonsense happens on the far left from other outlets and are just as "harmful".
- thomastjeffery 3y agoBullshit. This isn't "conservative politics". This is right-wing hate behind the thinnest veil of "political entertainment". They don't really talk about small government or fiscal conservatism anymore. They talk about the "threat" that is posed by LGBTQ+ people and immigrants. I can't even talk to my own father anymore without him getting angry. Angry about nothing. That's one of millions of very real relationships that have been very directly damaged by Fox News. They don't get to do that, then just shrug it off as it it's an accident, and not their primary business model.
- mlrtime 3y agoDude, you are very angry and I'd suggest you readjust. My father watches fox news 24/7. I used to be angry like you anytime we touched close to politics. Now, I just don't talk about it, it's not worth it and doesn't add any value to the relationship, and never did before. Hopefully you'll see this as you get older. Fox news didn't damage your relationship, sorry.
- thomastjeffery 3y agoI don't talk about it either. He insists we talk about it, or he silently stews over the lack of engagement, while disengaging from everyone else in the room. Sure, it didn't destroy our relationship, but I'm not going to pretend everything is just as good as it was 6 years ago: it's not. That's just one personal example, too. You would be hard-pressed to find a random 20-minute span of the Fox News network where the primary subject of discussion isn't hate or fear. Very rarely is the primary subject actually a political position. Fox News is a constant barrage of why you should be afraid of and angry at the very existence of every person who has interests or goals that don't match the interests and goals of a right-wing transphobic christian nationalist. Even if it were about presenting and supporting the political position of right-wing transphobic christian nationalism, it would be better. Fox News does not focus on any political position. Instead, they focus on the engagement of fear and hate that implies that position.
- parthianshotgun 3y agoDon't worry Thomas, you just need to "get older" as our patronizing interlocutor suggests
- thomastjeffery 3y agoI'm not too worried about their opinion. I just want to do what I can to show people the reality of the situation. Fox News doesn't get to maximize the engagement of its audience and minimize the engagement of its critics.
- zachmu 3y agoWhatever you think of our home-grown propaganda outlets, the US govt taking different approaches to foreign outlets should be uncontroversial. Unlike the CCP, US citizens have first amendment rights.
- rKarpinski 3y agoNo, it's owned & controlled by an American family (from Australia), has its headquarters in New York City and is not beholden to any foreign governments.
- phs318u 3y ago> is not beholden to any foreign governments. The reverse has occasionally been the case.
- bdw5204 3y agoFox News and MSNBC are propaganda for American political parties not foreign governments. They have a much stronger constitutional argument for 1st Amendment protection than Russia Today or China Central TV would.
- wslh 3y agoIt seems you are not looking to American history: CIA and dictatorships in Latin America?
- true_religion 3y agoWhat’s the argument here? Because the US does harm to others, they should permit others to harm them?
- wslh 3y agoNo, it is to talk apples vs. apples about the upper argument on USA having propaganda only internally.
- bdw5204 3y agoThe US government absolutely has its own government run media outlets such as Voice of America and foreign governments do ban them. For example, the Taliban has attempted to ban VOA in Afghanistan: https://www.insidevoa.com/a/despite-taliban-s-censorship-voa-continues-broadcasting-to-millions-in-afghanistan-/7226001.html https://www.insidevoa.com/a/despite-taliban-s-censorship-voa...
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoFoxNews and MSNCB are directed internally. An example of American propaganda directed externally would be Voice of America.