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You might be right, but... If TikTok is a national sovereignty issue for the US, should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies? (Sinc

by neilv 3y ago

You might be right, but... If TikTok is a national sovereignty issue for the US, should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies? (Since even GDPR only scratches the surface of the power they're handing over.)

nostromo 3y ago
> should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies China already does for reasons similar to those that are in this bill.
cj 3y ago
Yes, if those countries believe US companies are using their platforms as a weapon against them or pose some other national threat.
- nicce 3y ago
  Western countries are too dependent of the US and it is politically easier to ban China. As a result, the best approach would be set equal restrictions for data collection and privacy, including clear rules how algorithms can behave (or maybe drop them totally), to combat promoting specific content or censoring specific content.
  - cj 3y ago
    Good philosophy in theory, but it seems you would need the equivalent of United Nations to have some sort of globally enforced policies like that. Maybe technology is getting to a point where that needs to happen.
jachee 3y ago
The US government generally doesn’t hold a stake in US tech companies, nor direct influence over how they operate abroad.
- nicce 3y ago
  US intelligence greatly benefits from the US tech companies, because they are required by law to provide the information if asked, and they can't even tell about this in certain situations. As a result, it is more beneficial to ban specific applications and allow US companies collect as much data as possible. Rules for thee but not for me.
adventured 3y ago
Sure if they want to. And then they have trade issues with the US, which is what that becomes: an economic conflict (which can easily become a military conflict). The US economy is drastically larger than the EU economy at this point (soon to be double the size), we control the global reserve currency, and provide a very large military shield across the EU (currently keeping Russia from attacking numerous smaller European nations). The US can do a lot more damage to Europe than the other way around, if it's conflict that Europe seeks with the US (whether economic or military). The same is true with US allies in Asia (particularly Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia). All the US has to do is look the other way and Russia and China will get to work destroying the status quo, which includes ripping apart Europe and Asia. The US can feed Asia to China anytime it wants to, that includes Australia + New Zealand; it obviously doesn't want to do that. I think US allies want to keep the US an ally for all the right reasons, both economically and militarily.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  That kind of thinking is a good way to ensure that the US will lose influence globally as it assumes a weird lack of agency in others in the face of threats by what used to be an ally.
empath-nirvana 3y ago
> If TikTok is a national sovereignty issue for the US, should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies? Not only should they, but they do.
dahdum 3y ago
> If TikTok is a national sovereignty issue for the US, should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies? NATO, Five Eyes, and close allies like Japan need not bother. Russia, China, Iran, and a few others should, and mostly do. I thought TikTok’s CEO did a great job in the hearing defending themselves, but ByteDance ultimately owns them. We compel companies to provide data silently through court orders all the time in the U.S. and to think China isn’t capable of accessing whatever data they want, at any time, assumes major incompetence of their intelligence services. I think it comes down to this line of thought. China can, so they will, because when we can, we do. China no doubt knows many of our non-public exploits, as we do of theirs. In a real way, this forced sale is a sign of respect.
op00to 3y ago
> should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies Sure, if there's evidence of the US exerting its influence over the content in a way that's harmful to the country.
timeon 3y ago
We are already trying to ban Google Analytics in EU.

by neilv 3y ago

nostromo 3y ago

> should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies China already does for reasons similar to those that are in this bill.

cj 3y ago

Yes, if those countries believe US companies are using their platforms as a weapon against them or pose some other national threat.

nicce 3y ago
Western countries are too dependent of the US and it is politically easier to ban China. As a result, the best approach would be set equal restrictions for data collection and privacy, including clear rules how algorithms can behave (or maybe drop them totally), to combat promoting specific content or censoring specific content.
- cj 3y ago
  Good philosophy in theory, but it seems you would need the equivalent of United Nations to have some sort of globally enforced policies like that. Maybe technology is getting to a point where that needs to happen.

jachee 3y ago

The US government generally doesn’t hold a stake in US tech companies, nor direct influence over how they operate abroad.

nicce 3y ago
US intelligence greatly benefits from the US tech companies, because they are required by law to provide the information if asked, and they can't even tell about this in certain situations. As a result, it is more beneficial to ban specific applications and allow US companies collect as much data as possible. Rules for thee but not for me.

adventured 3y ago

Sure if they want to. And then they have trade issues with the US, which is what that becomes: an economic conflict (which can easily become a military conflict). The US economy is drastically larger than the EU economy at this point (soon to be double the size), we control the global reserve currency, and provide a very large military shield across the EU (currently keeping Russia from attacking numerous smaller European nations). The US can do a lot more damage to Europe than the other way around, if it's conflict that Europe seeks with the US (whether economic or military). The same is true with US allies in Asia (particularly Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia). All the US has to do is look the other way and Russia and China will get to work destroying the status quo, which includes ripping apart Europe and Asia. The US can feed Asia to China anytime it wants to, that includes Australia + New Zealand; it obviously doesn't want to do that. I think US allies want to keep the US an ally for all the right reasons, both economically and militarily.

RandomLensman 3y ago
That kind of thinking is a good way to ensure that the US will lose influence globally as it assumes a weird lack of agency in others in the face of threats by what used to be an ally.

empath-nirvana 3y ago

> If TikTok is a national sovereignty issue for the US, should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies? Not only should they, but they do.

dahdum 3y ago

> If TikTok is a national sovereignty issue for the US, should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies? NATO, Five Eyes, and close allies like Japan need not bother. Russia, China, Iran, and a few others should, and mostly do. I thought TikTok’s CEO did a great job in the hearing defending themselves, but ByteDance ultimately owns them. We compel companies to provide data silently through court orders all the time in the U.S. and to think China isn’t capable of accessing whatever data they want, at any time, assumes major incompetence of their intelligence services. I think it comes down to this line of thought. China can, so they will, because when we can, we do. China no doubt knows many of our non-public exploits, as we do of theirs. In a real way, this forced sale is a sign of respect.

op00to 3y ago

> should a lot of other countries similarly be banning US tech companies Sure, if there's evidence of the US exerting its influence over the content in a way that's harmful to the country.

timeon 3y ago

We are already trying to ban Google Analytics in EU.