6 ms·
Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?
by Nesco 3y ago
Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then?
- richbell 3y agoEurope is concerned about the influence and data-collection of American tech companies, and would be fully justified in doing something similar.
- politician 3y agoThey should, and viewed in a certain light that is what the GPDR and DMA are trying to achieve— make room for native companies.
- bonzini 3y agoNot necessarily making room for native companies, as the Silicon Valley giants have adapted. But they enforce certain rights, for example privacy, and if US companies (not just social media) do not want to comply they are forced to leave the EU. Some newspaper websites are not visible from Europe for that reason.
- gretch 3y ago1) wouldn't blame them if they did 2) we are in this military alliance called NATO; if you are depending on each other for military help, you're not thinking about social media based threats
- farts_mckensy 3y ago[flagged]
- ThisIsMyAltAcct 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoAlso, literally the Nazis. We lost over 400,000 people helping free Europe from the last lot who tried consolidating control. Pax Americana has been one of the longest stretches of peace in Europe. Vaccines and peace…
- farts_mckensy 3y agoA lot of those Nazis went on to become part of the government of West Germany. And now Germany's in NATO. Now, their far right wing party is on the rise. The Nazis lost WWII, but fascism won.
- bhaney 3y agoThey're welcome to if they think it's worthwhile.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> Why shouldn’t Europeans do the same with US social networks then? We’re not your foreign adversary? (If we are, we shouldn’t have an obligation to defend you.) This bill permits TikTok’s sale to a European owner. It just bans its ownership by a foreign adversary country.
- simpletone 3y ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago[flagged]
- simpletone 3y ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago[flagged]
- simpletone 3y ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago[flagged]
- simpletone 3y ago[flagged]
- andiareso 3y agoI'm under the impression they already do. There are lots of data collection rules that US companies have to follow. This I see as an alternative to outright banning. I'm sure Facebook, et. al. are audited by EU agencies to make sure they are in compliance. I think the reason for the outright ban is more due to it being a Chinese product. China isn't known to be very transparent.
- almatabata 3y agoThere has been a lot of attempts with multiple iterations (see https://www.burges-salmon.com/news-and-insight/legal-updates/third-time-lucky-replacement-of-the-eu-us-privacy-shield https://www.burges-salmon.com/news-and-insight/legal-updates...). Sadly European intelligence services actually want US to spy on their citizen in order to gain access to the data legally.
- happytoexplain 3y agoIf they feel their relationship with the US is similar to the US's relationship with China in the relevant ways, then they absolutely should do the same. My understanding is that they don't feel that way, generally speaking. They do in fact impose less extreme controls on data from these platforms, that lesser extremity presumably reflecting their lesser perception of the US's use of that data as highly dangerous, as compared to the US's perception of China.
- s_dev 3y ago>My understanding is that they don't feel that way, generally speaking. US tech companies currently getting slapped around with large fines in the EU for similar infringements of privacy etc.
- thegginthesky 3y agoThat is a much lesser punishment than what the US is doing in this thread. A fine that is a small but non-insignficant percentage of annual revenue is a measured response when you want to punish bad behavior but allow businesses to still operate within the jurisdiction. Restricting business operation altogether is a response a country gives when they see the other party as extremely adversarial, which is a few orders of magnitude above what EU fines are to Big Tech. Big difference
- VoodooJuJu 3y ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> EU is fundamentally an American colony that has neither the economic power nor the political power to stand up to their colonizer in such a way This is like arguing Europe was colonised by Britain when they helped the continent repel Napoleon.
- bhaney 3y ago> The EU is fundamentally an American colony Oh how the tables have turned
- Jcampuzano2 3y agoIf they feel there is a sufficient security threat posed by US based social media/apps, then I see no reason why they shouldn't. But its pretty clear that the security threat posed by US based services vs certain others is starkly different, especially since the US is generally seen as a beneficial/friendly state.
- yaky 3y agoNot Europe, but around 2015, Russia passed a law requiring foreign companies to store data on servers in the country. Then banned LinkedIn in 2016 [0], and tried to get Twitter and Facebook to comply in 2017-2019 [1]. All of which were met with ridicule from many people in the US (IIRC from article comments and reddit). IMO, somewhat similar situations - popular social media, known for data gathering, based in another country that is viewed as a geopolitical and/or ideological opponent and is often villified. 0: https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/17/technology/russia-linkedin-banned/index.html https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/17/technology/russia-linkedin-... 1: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/russia-tries-to-force-facebook-and-twitter-to-relocate-servers-to-russia/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/01/russia-tries-to-...
- lupusreal 3y agoThey should and I wish they would!
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoI can't imagine who would genuinely ask this- and it's suspiciously plastered in every single thread on this topic. Think hard! In which way is Europe and the US's relationship different than China and the US's relationship?
- m_rpn 3y agoWe totally should to be honest, the social network is the most harmful tech of all time, from various spectrums.
- TeaBrain 3y agoThe US legislation applying to TikTok specifically applies to companies that are considered foreign adversaries. As far as I'm aware, with the exception of possibly Russia and Belarus, the US is not considered to be a foreign adversary by European nations.
- s3p 3y agoOP wasn't arguing that.