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>> jet that everybody wants. That was the f22. And we blocked international sales in favor of the f35. The death of the f22 should not be mourned, we will get
by zer00eyz 3y ago
>> jet that everybody wants.
That was the f22. And we blocked international sales in favor of the f35. The death of the f22 should not be mourned, we will get 6th gen research to replace it.
As for the everybody wants it bit, this is very true. Much to the ~~shargrin~~ chagrin of EU military industry. With one of our presidential candidates calling for us pulling out of nato, with us not backing Ukraine, I would expect that the f35 is the last major military product we sell in the EU this way. And for as much as I might not love it, that spending is a large part of our exports and economy.
- carabiner 3y agoshargrin?
- roenxi 3y agoPresumably meant chagrin.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- luxuryballs 3y agochagrin /shə-grĭn′/ noun A keen feeling of mental unease, as of annoyance or embarrassment, caused by failure, disappointment, or a disconcerting event. "To her chagrin, the party ended just as she arrived." Vexation; mortification.
- luxuryballs 3y agoI do hope we don’t end up wishing we had pulled out of NATO.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agohow would that happen?
- _just7_ 3y ago2024 election
- luxuryballs 3y agogetting pulled into a war that we can’t afford to fight and losing many American lives comes to mind
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoIsn't that like the whole point of NATO?
- luxuryballs 3y agomaybe if you’re a small European country
- luxuryballs 3y agoIf someone invades some Eastern European country we get pulled into a war, even if there’s no indication that it would ever have involved the US otherwise.
- nradov 3y agoEven without the export ban, there was no real international demand for the F-22. The cost was so high that none of our close allies could even remotely afford it, especially after the end of the Cold War and prior to the rise of China as an expansionist global power. Back when F-22 production was terminated in 2009, everyone was cutting (or at least not increasing) military spending. If Japan or Australia had really pushed to buy the F-22 it would have been possible to produce an export model with the more sensitive items stripped out. They didn't want it.
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoF22's maintenance burden was vastly higher than the F35, which is still quite expensive. Costs are also somewhat weirdly calculated, by just taking hours flown / cost. Maybe we could fly the jet a lot more for a modest increase in cost, & the numbers would look much better. But we don't fly that much, especially given the teething issues (such as the oxygen supply issues) we've had. There was a really great report I think based on GAO or maybe direct from GAO that covered f35 expenses very closely, comparing across services over time, that really was interesting to see; haven't found the link again though alas. The F35 is also a far more advanced sensor & communication system, I believe. F22 was a more conventional stealth where the pilots got the mission, got on the air, & kept minimal emissions to the target & hopefully back; the f117 I think had similar characteristics. This isn't nearly as general purpose a role.
- acchow 3y ago> that spending is a large part of our exports and economy. I'm seeing annual US exports at $2 trillion, with military exports at $56bn, or 2.8%. That is definitely material, but hard to call that "large part of"