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It's well known that Youtube already has a sea of bizarre garbage content targeted at children. It's hard for me to imagine that AI could even make it worse tha

It's well known that Youtube already has a sea of bizarre garbage content targeted at children. It's hard for me to imagine that AI could even make it worse than it already is.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
And it's stupid to get moral panicked about. People are 99% nature, 1% nurture. We evolved to survive worse than witnessing pregnant Spider Man.
- bequanna 3y ago
  People are absolutely NOT 99% nature. People are born with some predisposition to certain behaviors, but that is far from being set in stone. Good, attentive parenting is the difference maker.
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
    I think you'll find studies disagree with you. There's not much you can do apart from providing a decent baseline and getting lucky. Which, on the one hand, is profoundly relaxing; on the other, it's pretty depressing and scary.
    - bequanna 3y ago
      Social science “studies” are almost all complete garbage. Non reproducible and disproven constantly. Social scientists are LARPing as actual scientists. There is no rigor. Most people in the hard sciences have little regard or respect for their work. Arguing that parents play little/no role in the development of children is peak academic nonsense. Studies like what you’re citing only give comfort to the parents who would rather live life looking at their phones than parent their children.
- mstipetic 3y ago
  Spoken with such confidence...
- wenebego 3y ago
  Source? Didnt realize the nature/nurture debate was solved
- whythre 3y ago
  This isn’t just merely witnessing something, a better take would be ‘have we evolved to be be raised by videos of pregnant spooderman.’ I think that’s a negative, ghost rider.
- snoutie 3y ago
  When you consider that children already watch trash on youtube, then yes I agree that there is no reason to get worried about anything. But the entire concept of letting your children watch trash on youtube is worrying. Not having children myself it's easy for me to say that everything on the internet should be treated as if it was 18+ and therefore children don't belong on the internet. Period. Especially not on their own. There are exceptions of course like websites that are highly geared towards the education of children but youtube (kids) in it's majority is not that.
Ekaros 3y ago
I saw this when visiting relatives. At best it was auto-playing mario party game or something... At worst something entirely bizarre and pointless. The later might as well been computer generated...
dfedbeef 3y ago
Idk just making many more things than humans could possibly filter is worse to me? A volume of content which is impossible for humans to sort through, which occasionally have something incredibly disturbing in them, generated by something fundamentally incapable of understanding and empathy. Things can be much worse than 'kind of boring'. It's sad that AI will probably be used more often for kids content at first because lots of parents don't really pay close attention.
- swatcoder 3y ago
  We already got to that point like 10 years ago. You don't need LLM's or diffusion models to overwhelm "moderation at scale" because "moderation at scale" was a fantasy in the first place, and its cracks had already been exposed and widening. Maybe you were hanging onto some optimism and needed the jostle of this new technology to see how doomed it all was already?

It's well known that Youtube already has a sea of bizarre garbage content targeted at children. It's hard for me to imagine that AI could even make it worse than it already is.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago

And it's stupid to get moral panicked about. People are 99% nature, 1% nurture. We evolved to survive worse than witnessing pregnant Spider Man.

bequanna 3y ago
People are absolutely NOT 99% nature. People are born with some predisposition to certain behaviors, but that is far from being set in stone. Good, attentive parenting is the difference maker.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  I think you'll find studies disagree with you. There's not much you can do apart from providing a decent baseline and getting lucky. Which, on the one hand, is profoundly relaxing; on the other, it's pretty depressing and scary.
  - bequanna 3y ago
    Social science “studies” are almost all complete garbage. Non reproducible and disproven constantly. Social scientists are LARPing as actual scientists. There is no rigor. Most people in the hard sciences have little regard or respect for their work. Arguing that parents play little/no role in the development of children is peak academic nonsense. Studies like what you’re citing only give comfort to the parents who would rather live life looking at their phones than parent their children.
mstipetic 3y ago
Spoken with such confidence...
wenebego 3y ago
Source? Didnt realize the nature/nurture debate was solved
whythre 3y ago
This isn’t just merely witnessing something, a better take would be ‘have we evolved to be be raised by videos of pregnant spooderman.’ I think that’s a negative, ghost rider.
snoutie 3y ago
When you consider that children already watch trash on youtube, then yes I agree that there is no reason to get worried about anything. But the entire concept of letting your children watch trash on youtube is worrying. Not having children myself it's easy for me to say that everything on the internet should be treated as if it was 18+ and therefore children don't belong on the internet. Period. Especially not on their own. There are exceptions of course like websites that are highly geared towards the education of children but youtube (kids) in it's majority is not that.

Ekaros 3y ago

I saw this when visiting relatives. At best it was auto-playing mario party game or something... At worst something entirely bizarre and pointless. The later might as well been computer generated...

dfedbeef 3y ago

Idk just making many more things than humans could possibly filter is worse to me? A volume of content which is impossible for humans to sort through, which occasionally have something incredibly disturbing in them, generated by something fundamentally incapable of understanding and empathy. Things can be much worse than 'kind of boring'. It's sad that AI will probably be used more often for kids content at first because lots of parents don't really pay close attention.

swatcoder 3y ago
We already got to that point like 10 years ago. You don't need LLM's or diffusion models to overwhelm "moderation at scale" because "moderation at scale" was a fantasy in the first place, and its cracks had already been exposed and widening. Maybe you were hanging onto some optimism and needed the jostle of this new technology to see how doomed it all was already?