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Even if it was a suicide, that still doesn't mean it was self-motivated. People who care enough to be whistleblowers, would likely care enough about wellbeing o
by alluro2 3y ago
Even if it was a suicide, that still doesn't mean it was self-motivated. People who care enough to be whistleblowers, would likely care enough about wellbeing of their family or other people - enough to sacrifice themselves once again under sufficient threats and pressure.
Or, even more likely, end things not because directly being requested to, but because of having no other way to NOT be forced to back out and cower at the very end, and betray themselves and other people.
All of which is unfortunately making it almost trivial for the adversary to steer things into that direction.
- FireBeyond 3y agoGranted, a movie, but something that portrays this well is The Insider (about big tobacco). Choice quotes: > Mike Wallace: Who are these people? > Lowell Bergman: Ordinary people under extraordinary pressure, Mike. What the hell do you expect? Grace and consistency? And: > Lowell Bergman: I fought for you and I still fight for you! > Jeffrey Wigand: You fought for me? You manipulated me! Into where I am now - staring at the Brown & Williamson building, it's all dark except for the tenth floor. That's the legal department, that's where they fuck with my life! > Lowell Bergman: Jeffrey, where are you going with this? Where are you going? (Pause) You are important to a lot of people, Jeffrey. You think about that, and you think about them.
- bookofjoe 3y ago"Silkwood" https://youtu.be/iNyrSR5JGh8?si=pzqfoeC5g_Nm5-cz https://youtu.be/iNyrSR5JGh8?si=pzqfoeC5g_Nm5-cz
- kiicia 3y agoWas this suicide by jumping out of window, like all of high profile suicides in russia?
- kube-system 3y ago> https://www.npr.org/2024/03/12/1238033573/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-dead https://www.npr.org/2024/03/12/1238033573/boeing-whistleblow... His family doesn't believe so: > The family says Barnett's health declined because of the stresses of taking a stand against his longtime employer. > "He was suffering from PTSD and anxiety attacks as a result of being subjected to the hostile work environment at Boeing," they said, "which we believe led to his death."
- indoclay 3y agoI think we could agree generally that "the hostile work environment at Boeing ... led to his death." It is appalling that they could apply this kind of pressure to one of their own . I'm not familiar with the process here, but does anyone know if the officer makes the determination that this is a "self-inflicted gunshot wound"? I thought that kind of assessment was for the coroner to determine over the course of the investigation.
- kube-system 3y agoThe coroner did say it appears to be self-inflicted, but that is not the final and formal judgement. > The office of Charleston County Coroner Bobbi Jo O'Neal said that Barnett, who had been living in Louisiana after retiring from Boeing, died "from what appears to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound." > Charleston police say detectives are actively investigating the case and are awaiting a formal cause of death as they try to determine the circumstances surrounding Barnett's death.
- egberts1 3y agoSo he flew in from out-of-state, gave disposition next day, and magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. Mmmmmm. You don't even need the help of Occam's Razor here.
- kube-system 3y ago> So he flew in from out-of-state Did he? I haven't seen any citation of his travel itinerary. Also, you can fly with a gun in checked luggage in the US > gave disposition next day TFA mentions his disposition "last week" > magically got a gun bypassing 5-day wait period. This is South Carolina. SC has no waiting period.
- solardev 3y agoNever let pesky little facts get in the way of a good conspiracy!
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- goku12 3y ago> It said the 62-year-old had died from a "self-inflicted" wound on 9 March and police were investigating. I wonder what gave them the conclusive evidence that the wound was self-inflicted.
- kube-system 3y ago> police were investigating seems to be antithetical to > conclusive
- Supermancho 3y agohttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13187989/Boeing-whistleblower-John-Barnett-warning-suicide.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13187989/Boeing-whi... Suicide note? Given his interview, where he did not seem at all concerned (Jan 31) and his upcoming scheduled testimony (after years of pursuing this), call me suspicious.
- godlark 3y agoEven if it was self-motivated, he could with the thought that this is an only solution to make public opinion aware of the Boeing problems.
- caditinpiscinam 3y agoReminds me of Ian Gibbons, the Theranos scientist who spoke up about the company's practices. He took his life shortly before he was set to be deposed in one of the lawsuits. According to John Carreyrou's book, the company hired law firms to stalk, harass and threaten employees; law firms which -- unlike Theranos -- are still operating, having apparently never faced any consequences for their actions.
- lenkite 3y agoHis lawyers don't believe it is suicide. “We need more information about what happened to John,” attorneys Robert Turkewitz and Brian Knowles, who represent former Boeing manager John Barnett, said in a statement Tuesday. “The Charleston police need to investigate this fully and accurately and tell the public. “We didn’t see any indication he would take his own life,” they added. “No one can believe it.”