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> "Better than the average human at most profitable tasks" This is not the definition of AGI. You can't just make up a random definition to fit your argument,

by shafyy 3y ago

> "Better than the average human at most profitable tasks" This is not the definition of AGI. You can't just make up a random definition to fit your argument, lol.

exe34 3y ago
No that's the economically dominating definition. The philosophical one will happen much later or may never happen, but human society may change beyond recognition with the first one alone.
- hnben 3y ago
  "The philosophical one" seems to get updated with every new breakthrough. 20 years ago, GPT3 would have been considered AGI (or "strong AI", as we called it back then). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...
  - exe34 3y ago
    Dennett describes it as real magic. The magic that can be performed is not considered real magic (it's merely a trick of confidence), whereas real magic is that which couldn't possibly be done.
falcor84 3y ago
I'm actually all in on people making up new definitions for vague terms at the start of an argument as long as they're explicit about it. And I particularly like this one, which is much more clearly measurable. If you feel AGI is taken, maybe we should coin this one as APGI or something like that
worldsayshi 3y ago
I don't think the main intention was to define AGI but to zoom in on an interpretation of AGI that would provide enough value to be revolutionary.
johnthewise 3y ago
There is no single definition of AGI. Performing most intellectual tasks human perform today is both general and a form of intelligence, so I too agree with it.
ibejoeb 3y ago
What is the definition? The definition of AGI is one of the central points of contention in the biggest industry legal battle.
- SilverBirch 3y ago
  It's only in contention because 1 of the sides has a tonne of money, a hurt ego, and is willing to pay lawyers to argue the sky is red in order to get revenge on his former colleagues. I don't think anyone would seriously claim OpenAI has achieved AGI today.
  - exe34 3y ago
    No, what they have is several narrow ASIs.
belter 3y ago
This is the correct way to approach the answer to when and how to achieve AGI. Otherwise please present here your Engineer Specification for defining AGI... On a timeframe for achieving AGI: https://youtu.be/cEg8cOx7UZk?t=1658 https://youtu.be/cEg8cOx7UZk?t=1658
infecto 3y ago
My understanding is that AGI has no formal definition as it means different things to different people. The poster here created his own definition, but what is wrong with that? He set a very specific bar to achieve, something that most "high-level" thinkers in the space have not really done. Isn't the point of discourse to bring your ideas to the table?
kromem 3y ago
This is literally Sam Altman's definition: https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-thinks-agi-replaces-median-humans-2023-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-thinks-agi-replac...

by shafyy 3y ago

> "Better than the average human at most profitable tasks" This is not the definition of AGI. You can't just make up a random definition to fit your argument, lol.

exe34 3y ago

No that's the economically dominating definition. The philosophical one will happen much later or may never happen, but human society may change beyond recognition with the first one alone.

hnben 3y ago
"The philosophical one" seems to get updated with every new breakthrough. 20 years ago, GPT3 would have been considered AGI (or "strong AI", as we called it back then). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligence#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_general_intelligenc...
- exe34 3y ago
  Dennett describes it as real magic. The magic that can be performed is not considered real magic (it's merely a trick of confidence), whereas real magic is that which couldn't possibly be done.

falcor84 3y ago

I'm actually all in on people making up new definitions for vague terms at the start of an argument as long as they're explicit about it. And I particularly like this one, which is much more clearly measurable. If you feel AGI is taken, maybe we should coin this one as APGI or something like that

worldsayshi 3y ago

I don't think the main intention was to define AGI but to zoom in on an interpretation of AGI that would provide enough value to be revolutionary.

johnthewise 3y ago

There is no single definition of AGI. Performing most intellectual tasks human perform today is both general and a form of intelligence, so I too agree with it.

ibejoeb 3y ago

What is the definition? The definition of AGI is one of the central points of contention in the biggest industry legal battle.

SilverBirch 3y ago
It's only in contention because 1 of the sides has a tonne of money, a hurt ego, and is willing to pay lawyers to argue the sky is red in order to get revenge on his former colleagues. I don't think anyone would seriously claim OpenAI has achieved AGI today.
- exe34 3y ago
  No, what they have is several narrow ASIs.

belter 3y ago

This is the correct way to approach the answer to when and how to achieve AGI. Otherwise please present here your Engineer Specification for defining AGI... On a timeframe for achieving AGI: https://youtu.be/cEg8cOx7UZk?t=1658 https://youtu.be/cEg8cOx7UZk?t=1658

infecto 3y ago

My understanding is that AGI has no formal definition as it means different things to different people. The poster here created his own definition, but what is wrong with that? He set a very specific bar to achieve, something that most "high-level" thinkers in the space have not really done. Isn't the point of discourse to bring your ideas to the table?

kromem 3y ago

This is literally Sam Altman's definition: https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-thinks-agi-replaces-median-humans-2023-9 https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-thinks-agi-replac...