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Does anyone know if the major dealbreaker “Additional Terms” apply to Gemma? Because I don’t want to touch anything Google related with a 100 foot pole given th

Does anyone know if the major dealbreaker “Additional Terms” apply to Gemma? Because I don’t want to touch anything Google related with a 100 foot pole given the following: > Use restrictions You may not use the Services to develop machine learning models or related technology. https://policies.google.com/terms/generative-ai https://policies.google.com/terms/generative-ai Note that using Gemini chat model develops it so, taken extremely seriously, this is a blanket ban on sending text to Gemini

refulgentis 3y ago
Law tends to go by plain English meaning, ex. here, you understand that the idea isn't to ban people from interacting with Gemini, but rather, to stop them from using it to develop new models (i.e. using it's outputs as inputs for training another model)
- bionhoward 3y ago
  Hmm, I took it to mean you couldn’t even ask about ML and you must avert your eyes when SGE pops up on ML queries on Google. Anyway Google lost me as a customer for that so I promise not to help them “develop their models!”
summerlight 3y ago
https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemma/prohibited_use_policy https://ai.google.dev/gemma/prohibited_use_policy Looks like there's no such restrictions? And this term does not reference the additional terms.
- danielhanchen 3y ago
  The issue I find problematic is "Google may update Gemma from time to time, and you must make reasonable efforts to use the latest version of Gemma." - it's a bit vague - I guess it's not enforceable!
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    It's probably CYA for any liabilities stemming from issues discovered/not fixed downstream after Google has addressed them. It's hard for Google to enforce offensively, but great for defense!
    - danielhanchen 3y ago
      Ye I guess that's a good point! Sadly some people I chatted to don't really like this, since it constrains and confuses the finetuning aspect of Gemma - ie if we finetune on top of it, then Gemma v2 is released, do we have to do another finetune on top of the latest release? I guess it's ye, quite unenforceable

refulgentis 3y ago

Law tends to go by plain English meaning, ex. here, you understand that the idea isn't to ban people from interacting with Gemini, but rather, to stop them from using it to develop new models (i.e. using it's outputs as inputs for training another model)

bionhoward 3y ago
Hmm, I took it to mean you couldn’t even ask about ML and you must avert your eyes when SGE pops up on ML queries on Google. Anyway Google lost me as a customer for that so I promise not to help them “develop their models!”

summerlight 3y ago

https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemma/terms https://ai.google.dev/gemma/prohibited_use_policy https://ai.google.dev/gemma/prohibited_use_policy Looks like there's no such restrictions? And this term does not reference the additional terms.

danielhanchen 3y ago
The issue I find problematic is "Google may update Gemma from time to time, and you must make reasonable efforts to use the latest version of Gemma." - it's a bit vague - I guess it's not enforceable!
- sangnoir 3y ago
  It's probably CYA for any liabilities stemming from issues discovered/not fixed downstream after Google has addressed them. It's hard for Google to enforce offensively, but great for defense!
  - danielhanchen 3y ago
    Ye I guess that's a good point! Sadly some people I chatted to don't really like this, since it constrains and confuses the finetuning aspect of Gemma - ie if we finetune on top of it, then Gemma v2 is released, do we have to do another finetune on top of the latest release? I guess it's ye, quite unenforceable