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>once again offering users nothing in return for their hard work. What does this guy want users to get? Is the platform not enough?

by max_ 3y ago

kingofthehill98 3y ago
I just want them to stop ruining every good platform out there. The enshitfication process of Twitter and Reddit has been remarkable in this sense. I think this is the idea behind the post, users shouldn't "get" anything, they just need to stop destroying every good online experience left.
- warkdarrior 3y ago
  Kagi shows the way forward: monthly subscription to not get an enshittified product. And once one service gets enshittified, the user will move their subscription to another service.
fullshark 3y ago
He's a former journalist: https://www.wheresyoured.at/about/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/about/ He resents how social media destroyed traditional media via free labor from users, that statement a perfect reflection of that sentiment.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  I mean, traditional media was never big on paying the people it interviewed or the people that were photographed (or owners of the objects photographed) unless you were some “celebrity” with an agent.
Steuard 3y ago
I took two points from this part of the article. First, that the expected exchange for years was "users create content, the companies provide the platforms and show ads to pay for it". But over time, the companies have not just adopted new ways of profiting off of the users (which may feel more exploitative than simple advertising) but also reduced the functionality of the platforms. And second, that if there are vast amounts of money to be made off of all this activity, it's fundamentally not just for all of that money to go to the people who run the infrastructure, rather than some of it also going to the people who create and moderate the communities that make the infrastructure worth money at all. If most of the money flowing in to a company like Reddit went directly toward improving the user experience, then maybe the original deal that "the platform itself is your reward" would still be fine. But as soon as there are executives and investors getting big cash payouts, that means that a whole lot of user-created value is being siphoned off: the deal doesn't feel nearly as fair anymore.

>once again offering users nothing in return for their hard work. What does this guy want users to get? Is the platform not enough?

by max_ 3y ago

>once again offering users nothing in return for their hard work. What does this guy want users to get? Is the platform not enough?

kingofthehill98 3y ago

I just want them to stop ruining every good platform out there. The enshitfication process of Twitter and Reddit has been remarkable in this sense. I think this is the idea behind the post, users shouldn't "get" anything, they just need to stop destroying every good online experience left.

warkdarrior 3y ago
Kagi shows the way forward: monthly subscription to not get an enshittified product. And once one service gets enshittified, the user will move their subscription to another service.

fullshark 3y ago

He's a former journalist: https://www.wheresyoured.at/about/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/about/ He resents how social media destroyed traditional media via free labor from users, that statement a perfect reflection of that sentiment.

Scoundreller 3y ago
I mean, traditional media was never big on paying the people it interviewed or the people that were photographed (or owners of the objects photographed) unless you were some “celebrity” with an agent.

Steuard 3y ago

I took two points from this part of the article. First, that the expected exchange for years was "users create content, the companies provide the platforms and show ads to pay for it". But over time, the companies have not just adopted new ways of profiting off of the users (which may feel more exploitative than simple advertising) but also reduced the functionality of the platforms. And second, that if there are vast amounts of money to be made off of all this activity, it's fundamentally not just for all of that money to go to the people who run the infrastructure, rather than some of it also going to the people who create and moderate the communities that make the infrastructure worth money at all. If most of the money flowing in to a company like Reddit went directly toward improving the user experience, then maybe the original deal that "the platform itself is your reward" would still be fine. But as soon as there are executives and investors getting big cash payouts, that means that a whole lot of user-created value is being siphoned off: the deal doesn't feel nearly as fair anymore.