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I was burned pretty hard by the “air” product line. There used to be a whole ton of issues related to throttling, cooling, keyboard, and hinge issues. I used th

by xyst 3y ago

I was burned pretty hard by the “air” product line. There used to be a whole ton of issues related to throttling, cooling, keyboard, and hinge issues. I used this thing as a daily driver during college. Ended up switching up to a MBP, which is still in use today. Anybody have any experience with today’s hw? With Apple silicon/arm, were they able to fix the over heating issues; or was the internal chassis redesigned to improve airflow?

goosedragons 3y ago
Still sounds like it can get hot and throttle if pushed hard for a long period [0]. [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/macbooks/m3-macbook-air-hits-eye-popping-114-degrees-celsius-in-stress-test-and-didnt-melt https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/macbooks/m3-macbook-air...
- whalesalad 3y ago
  They’re ultra portables. If your workload isn’t suited, MBP is the way to go.
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jb1991 3y ago
Some discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39595707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39595707
whalesalad 3y ago
All of my Air’s have been the best laptops I’ve ever owned. Current M2 air is an excellent rig.
solarkraft 3y ago
I'm confident that my M1 Air will last me another few years. It's quite great and I have no major criticism - which is rare for me.
jauntywundrkind 3y ago
What were you doing that prompted so much throttling? I have a sizablr array of microservices and databases I work on day to day, and it's such brief little Personally I think the tradeoff is awesome for almost everyone. If you are a high powered user, a laptop fan pad is cheap and will prevent the 33% speed loss of throttling. There's people who mod these laptops by bridging the heatsink to the case. It improves speed significantly. But it also makes the case uncomfortably hot under heavy use. I think this is a fine tradeoff Apple picked, to not optimize for speed. This is an Air. It should be very performant for most, just not under enduring load. I certainly would not call this an overheating issue.
TYPE_FASTER 3y ago
In my experience, yes, the thermal and energy profiles are vastly improved. I went from an Intel MBP that was constantly throttled due to temp to a 2020 MBP with a M1 (13" 16G of RAM). I've done a bunch of development on it, mostly running Pycharm and Docker. I got the fan to come on once while editing/transcoding using iMovie or ffmpeg (I forget, it's been a while), running a few containers in Docker, and editing code in Pycharm. The hardware also "feels" better to me. I had issues with the keyboard and video connection with the Intel MBP that I have not had with the 2020 M1 MBP which gets carried in a backpack pretty frequently.
D13Fd 3y ago
I'm on the M2 MacBook Air, and it's pretty incredible. It runs cool, it's as fast as I could possibly want for daily tasks (I'm not doing video encoding or anything), and it's tiny. It's barely bigger than my iPad. It's far faster than my top-end Intel MBP was. I haven't seen it struggle with anything yet. I've found that where I used to take my iPad to do things (on the couch, in the car, etc.), now I take the MBA, because I might as well have my full computer setup. I've found I'm using my iPad a lot less overall. I've been using Mac laptops since 2005, and it's easily the best I've ever had. It's actually annoying that the MBPs are so much bigger and heavier for so little of an improvement in real-world usage (for non-gaming, non-video-editing tasks). They seem last-gen in comparison.
hisnameisjimmy 3y ago
I have an M1 Air 16gb and it's the best computer I've ever owned by such a wide margin that it's hard to believe they could improve it. Hard to overstate how dramatic an improvement it is relative to intel machines, especially if you tend to push your computer. It almost never heats up, and the battery lasts forever. Remarkable engineering.
r00fus 3y ago
Before Apple Silicon, I'd agree with you - but that was mostly because Intel couldn't produce a low-power chip. Now with M series, the Airs are quite nice and usable for most people. I'm typing this on a stock M1 Air and it's been perfect for non-professional usage (ie, hobby stuff).
lm28469 3y ago
The air line was bad until the m1 imho, now they're basically all you need unless you have very specific requirements

by xyst 3y ago

goosedragons 3y ago

Still sounds like it can get hot and throttle if pushed hard for a long period [0]. [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/macbooks/m3-macbook-air-hits-eye-popping-114-degrees-celsius-in-stress-test-and-didnt-melt https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/macbooks/m3-macbook-air...

whalesalad 3y ago
They’re ultra portables. If your workload isn’t suited, MBP is the way to go.

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jb1991 3y ago

Some discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39595707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39595707

whalesalad 3y ago

All of my Air’s have been the best laptops I’ve ever owned. Current M2 air is an excellent rig.

solarkraft 3y ago

I'm confident that my M1 Air will last me another few years. It's quite great and I have no major criticism - which is rare for me.

jauntywundrkind 3y ago

What were you doing that prompted so much throttling? I have a sizablr array of microservices and databases I work on day to day, and it's such brief little Personally I think the tradeoff is awesome for almost everyone. If you are a high powered user, a laptop fan pad is cheap and will prevent the 33% speed loss of throttling. There's people who mod these laptops by bridging the heatsink to the case. It improves speed significantly. But it also makes the case uncomfortably hot under heavy use. I think this is a fine tradeoff Apple picked, to not optimize for speed. This is an Air. It should be very performant for most, just not under enduring load. I certainly would not call this an overheating issue.

TYPE_FASTER 3y ago

In my experience, yes, the thermal and energy profiles are vastly improved. I went from an Intel MBP that was constantly throttled due to temp to a 2020 MBP with a M1 (13" 16G of RAM). I've done a bunch of development on it, mostly running Pycharm and Docker. I got the fan to come on once while editing/transcoding using iMovie or ffmpeg (I forget, it's been a while), running a few containers in Docker, and editing code in Pycharm. The hardware also "feels" better to me. I had issues with the keyboard and video connection with the Intel MBP that I have not had with the 2020 M1 MBP which gets carried in a backpack pretty frequently.

D13Fd 3y ago

I'm on the M2 MacBook Air, and it's pretty incredible. It runs cool, it's as fast as I could possibly want for daily tasks (I'm not doing video encoding or anything), and it's tiny. It's barely bigger than my iPad. It's far faster than my top-end Intel MBP was. I haven't seen it struggle with anything yet. I've found that where I used to take my iPad to do things (on the couch, in the car, etc.), now I take the MBA, because I might as well have my full computer setup. I've found I'm using my iPad a lot less overall. I've been using Mac laptops since 2005, and it's easily the best I've ever had. It's actually annoying that the MBPs are so much bigger and heavier for so little of an improvement in real-world usage (for non-gaming, non-video-editing tasks). They seem last-gen in comparison.

hisnameisjimmy 3y ago

I have an M1 Air 16gb and it's the best computer I've ever owned by such a wide margin that it's hard to believe they could improve it. Hard to overstate how dramatic an improvement it is relative to intel machines, especially if you tend to push your computer. It almost never heats up, and the battery lasts forever. Remarkable engineering.

r00fus 3y ago

Before Apple Silicon, I'd agree with you - but that was mostly because Intel couldn't produce a low-power chip. Now with M series, the Airs are quite nice and usable for most people. I'm typing this on a stock M1 Air and it's been perfect for non-professional usage (ie, hobby stuff).

lm28469 3y ago

The air line was bad until the m1 imho, now they're basically all you need unless you have very specific requirements