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I think the reality is that most people home charge. You typically only use fast chargers when you go on road trips, or do an unusual amount of driving.

harshaw 3y ago
Sure. I home charge. But many American's drive for work. Trades people, people going on vacation, sales people. Many vehicles can't just charge at home. Because there is no home, or apartments, or whatever. Get out on the road and see the broad mix of vehicles out there. I see tons of people flying down the road in F-150s getting maybe 8 / mpg. Those people - and those are most of the people out there - will never move to electric vehicles unless it is so fucking easy to charge, gas has to be prohibitively expensive, and you can charge anywhere and not think about it.
- comte7092 3y ago
  > many American's drive for work. Trades people, people going on vacation, sales people. There’s something that doesn’t seem to belong on that list.
- nradov 3y ago
  You're way off with Ford F-150 fuel economy. The least efficient new model has a combined fuel economy of 16 mpg and would only get down in the 8 mpg range when towing a heavy trailer. Even the older models didn't burn 8 mpg in normal use.
  - harshaw 3y ago
    let me put it this way. As an EVSE owner I see a direct correlation between how far I can go between chargers if I drive 65 vs 75. Because I have to stretch out where I am going to hit a fast charger. I see F150s going 80. Do you think they are calculating their MPG like my parents used to back in the early 80s? I don't think they are. So maybe it is 16 in some cases, but people drive them really really fast.
- vel0city 3y ago
  > I see tons of people flying down the road in F-150s getting maybe 8 / mpg. A lot of those people are going from their suburban house to their office job for 99% of their miles.
- Symbiote 3y ago
  > Trades people, people going on vacation, sales people Many tradespeople and salespeople sleep at home every day, and the work vehicle (van or car) is parked at home. They can charge it at home — there are already systems to allow the employer to reimburse for the cost of electricity. For people with occasional nights spent elsewhere fast chargers or destination chargers might be sufficient. Same for the vacation. For someone who travels all over the place all the time, a petrol vehicle is probably still more convenient. That's OK, electric vehicles don't need to solve 100% of usage patterns just yet.
r00fus 3y ago
Most EV owners charge at home because it's priced as a high end vehicle (some mid-range ones exist - I drive one of the few low-priced ones). However a sizable portion of the population (35%) live in apartments - which are notoriously against any upgrades. Without that population EVs will not be "mainstream". It's a chicken/egg problem where you need affordable EV chargers for that population to migrate to EVs and EV density so EV charger build-out can be justified. Governments typically front this kind of shift (e.g.: 2022 IRA - mild support).

harshaw 3y ago

Sure. I home charge. But many American's drive for work. Trades people, people going on vacation, sales people. Many vehicles can't just charge at home. Because there is no home, or apartments, or whatever. Get out on the road and see the broad mix of vehicles out there. I see tons of people flying down the road in F-150s getting maybe 8 / mpg. Those people - and those are most of the people out there - will never move to electric vehicles unless it is so fucking easy to charge, gas has to be prohibitively expensive, and you can charge anywhere and not think about it.

comte7092 3y ago
> many American's drive for work. Trades people, people going on vacation, sales people. There’s something that doesn’t seem to belong on that list.
nradov 3y ago
You're way off with Ford F-150 fuel economy. The least efficient new model has a combined fuel economy of 16 mpg and would only get down in the 8 mpg range when towing a heavy trailer. Even the older models didn't burn 8 mpg in normal use.
- harshaw 3y ago
  let me put it this way. As an EVSE owner I see a direct correlation between how far I can go between chargers if I drive 65 vs 75. Because I have to stretch out where I am going to hit a fast charger. I see F150s going 80. Do you think they are calculating their MPG like my parents used to back in the early 80s? I don't think they are. So maybe it is 16 in some cases, but people drive them really really fast.
vel0city 3y ago
> I see tons of people flying down the road in F-150s getting maybe 8 / mpg. A lot of those people are going from their suburban house to their office job for 99% of their miles.
Symbiote 3y ago
> Trades people, people going on vacation, sales people Many tradespeople and salespeople sleep at home every day, and the work vehicle (van or car) is parked at home. They can charge it at home — there are already systems to allow the employer to reimburse for the cost of electricity. For people with occasional nights spent elsewhere fast chargers or destination chargers might be sufficient. Same for the vacation. For someone who travels all over the place all the time, a petrol vehicle is probably still more convenient. That's OK, electric vehicles don't need to solve 100% of usage patterns just yet.

r00fus 3y ago

Most EV owners charge at home because it's priced as a high end vehicle (some mid-range ones exist - I drive one of the few low-priced ones). However a sizable portion of the population (35%) live in apartments - which are notoriously against any upgrades. Without that population EVs will not be "mainstream". It's a chicken/egg problem where you need affordable EV chargers for that population to migrate to EVs and EV density so EV charger build-out can be justified. Governments typically front this kind of shift (e.g.: 2022 IRA - mild support).