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The irony that I switched to Insomnia after Postman started demanding a login... and now I've been actively looking for alternatives (Bruno being on the list) n

by bisby 3y ago

The irony that I switched to Insomnia after Postman started demanding a login... and now I've been actively looking for alternatives (Bruno being on the list) now that Insomnia has done the same thing.

leosanchez 3y ago
Have you tried hurl ?
- winphone1974 3y ago
  Hurl is great, especially for testing but I fear it's not acceptable by a huge segment of developers because of the lack of a UI
adhamsalama 3y ago
Try Insomnium.
margorczynski 3y ago
Well based on historical experience with Postman and Insomnia most probably Bruno will go the same way once they get enough users hooked in. Especially once a VC gets into the fold.
- josephcsible 3y ago
  I foresee this happening too. For me to not worry about this, three things would have to happen: 1. Open source everything, including the parts of the code that are currently premium 2. Switch to a copyleft license like the GPL 3. Start accepting substantial contributions from the community without a CLA Then they'd be legally unable to do that kind of rug pull.
- deleted 3y ago
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- helloanoop 3y ago
  Hey there, this is Anoop - creator of Bruno. Happy to see Bruno at the top of HN We will never take VC funding. We received around 10 inbound reach outs from VCs till date and have denied funding from all of them. We will remain independent and I have written about it in detail here https://www.usebruno.com/blog/bootstrapping https://www.usebruno.com/blog/bootstrapping
  - biglyburrito 3y ago
    Thank you for posting here, and also for Bruno... I'll be giving it a shot in the coming days, as I only learned about it when I read this post.
  - 7fYZ7mJh3RNKNaG 3y ago
    Thank you for clarifying. Just made me download it.
  - bloopernova 3y ago
    Please give the real Bruno a hug from this Internet stranger? He looks like a very good boy.
  - ARandomerDude 3y ago
    Recommend you copy/paste this as its own top-level comment on this article, so it doesn’t get buried.
  - Sn0wCoder 3y ago
    Hi Annop. Thanks for sharing this looks like a good alternative to Postman. I see the company is based out of India (awesome) but wanted to know if the company has gone through the steps needed to sell to teams in the healthcare industry in the US/UK i.e.) HIPPA, SOX2, PCI, GDPR, etc.…
    - unmole 3y ago
      > if the company has gone through the steps needed to sell to teams in the healthcare industry in the US/UK i.e.) HIPPA, SOX2, PCI, GDPR, etc. They haven't.
dumbo-octopus 3y ago
Download Insomnia 2023.5.8 and disable automatic updates. Though Insomnia doesn't work with streaming responses at all, which is a bit of a non-starter in the age of AI. Anyone know a good streaming HTTP UI?
- ponector 3y ago
  Why not to do the same with postman? I still use it without the login.
  - dotancohen 3y ago
    From where do you download old Postman versions? More importantly, which was the last version recommended?
    - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
      The "Lite API" mode of current Postman is actually decent, it's the only GUI client I know that supports streaming responses, but you have to use `Content-Type: text/event-stream`. You can't save/share queries, but the local history is decent enough for local development. I prefer it to the Insomnia mutable fixed length saved query implementation for "hacking around" with many different APIs.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
  Does this describe the "streaming HTTP" to which you refer https://gist.github.com/CMCDragonkai/6bfade6431e9ffb7fe88 https://gist.github.com/CMCDragonkai/6bfade6431e9ffb7fe88 If not, is there an example of "streaming HTTP" you could provide that illustrates the limitation
  - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
    Yes, that is that I mean. All the modern "ChatGPT" style API's use this, so if you're building anything that invokes them you can choose between buffering the entire response and modifying/relaying it once complete, or building up a toolchain of streaming-capable utilities. Of all the http-client applications I tested (Curl, Postman, Insomnia, Bruno), somewhat hilariously Curl has the best support. It will output all 'Transfer-Encoding: chunked' with line-by-line buffering, whereas Postman only supports responses precisely following the `Content-Type: text/event-stream` format (strictly less powerful than curl, as this format requires newlines in between events, and a bunch of overhead on top of that). The others buffer the entire response before displaying anything. The `Content-Type: text/event-stream` format is fine enough, but I personally prefer to just plainly chunk the responses and let the client choose whether to buffer them into memory and operate on the entire value at once, or interpret them live as the chunks come in. With tools like gjp-4-gpt (Gradual JSON Parser 4 GPT's) you can even interpret partial JSON objects live as they come in and display complex/nested data structures in a generative manner.
dotancohen 3y ago
It's not open source, but it's in my workflow anyway. The JetBrains HTTP tool is excellent, and has been getting better and better for quite some time.

by bisby 3y ago

leosanchez 3y ago

Have you tried hurl ?

winphone1974 3y ago
Hurl is great, especially for testing but I fear it's not acceptable by a huge segment of developers because of the lack of a UI

adhamsalama 3y ago

Try Insomnium.

margorczynski 3y ago

Well based on historical experience with Postman and Insomnia most probably Bruno will go the same way once they get enough users hooked in. Especially once a VC gets into the fold.

josephcsible 3y ago
I foresee this happening too. For me to not worry about this, three things would have to happen: 1. Open source everything, including the parts of the code that are currently premium 2. Switch to a copyleft license like the GPL 3. Start accepting substantial contributions from the community without a CLA Then they'd be legally unable to do that kind of rug pull.
deleted 3y ago
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helloanoop 3y ago
Hey there, this is Anoop - creator of Bruno. Happy to see Bruno at the top of HN We will never take VC funding. We received around 10 inbound reach outs from VCs till date and have denied funding from all of them. We will remain independent and I have written about it in detail here https://www.usebruno.com/blog/bootstrapping https://www.usebruno.com/blog/bootstrapping
- biglyburrito 3y ago
  Thank you for posting here, and also for Bruno... I'll be giving it a shot in the coming days, as I only learned about it when I read this post.
- 7fYZ7mJh3RNKNaG 3y ago
  Thank you for clarifying. Just made me download it.
- bloopernova 3y ago
  Please give the real Bruno a hug from this Internet stranger? He looks like a very good boy.
- ARandomerDude 3y ago
  Recommend you copy/paste this as its own top-level comment on this article, so it doesn’t get buried.
- Sn0wCoder 3y ago
  Hi Annop. Thanks for sharing this looks like a good alternative to Postman. I see the company is based out of India (awesome) but wanted to know if the company has gone through the steps needed to sell to teams in the healthcare industry in the US/UK i.e.) HIPPA, SOX2, PCI, GDPR, etc.…
  - unmole 3y ago
    > if the company has gone through the steps needed to sell to teams in the healthcare industry in the US/UK i.e.) HIPPA, SOX2, PCI, GDPR, etc. They haven't.

dumbo-octopus 3y ago

Download Insomnia 2023.5.8 and disable automatic updates. Though Insomnia doesn't work with streaming responses at all, which is a bit of a non-starter in the age of AI. Anyone know a good streaming HTTP UI?

ponector 3y ago
Why not to do the same with postman? I still use it without the login.
- dotancohen 3y ago
  From where do you download old Postman versions? More importantly, which was the last version recommended?
  - dumbo-octopus 3y ago
    The "Lite API" mode of current Postman is actually decent, it's the only GUI client I know that supports streaming responses, but you have to use `Content-Type: text/event-stream`. You can't save/share queries, but the local history is decent enough for local development. I prefer it to the Insomnia mutable fixed length saved query implementation for "hacking around" with many different APIs.
1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
Does this describe the "streaming HTTP" to which you refer https://gist.github.com/CMCDragonkai/6bfade6431e9ffb7fe88 https://gist.github.com/CMCDragonkai/6bfade6431e9ffb7fe88 If not, is there an example of "streaming HTTP" you could provide that illustrates the limitation
- dumbo-octopus 3y ago
  Yes, that is that I mean. All the modern "ChatGPT" style API's use this, so if you're building anything that invokes them you can choose between buffering the entire response and modifying/relaying it once complete, or building up a toolchain of streaming-capable utilities. Of all the http-client applications I tested (Curl, Postman, Insomnia, Bruno), somewhat hilariously Curl has the best support. It will output all 'Transfer-Encoding: chunked' with line-by-line buffering, whereas Postman only supports responses precisely following the `Content-Type: text/event-stream` format (strictly less powerful than curl, as this format requires newlines in between events, and a bunch of overhead on top of that). The others buffer the entire response before displaying anything. The `Content-Type: text/event-stream` format is fine enough, but I personally prefer to just plainly chunk the responses and let the client choose whether to buffer them into memory and operate on the entire value at once, or interpret them live as the chunks come in. With tools like gjp-4-gpt (Gradual JSON Parser 4 GPT's) you can even interpret partial JSON objects live as they come in and display complex/nested data structures in a generative manner.

dotancohen 3y ago

It's not open source, but it's in my workflow anyway. The JetBrains HTTP tool is excellent, and has been getting better and better for quite some time.