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It is very ironic that they sell it has "eco-compact dishwasher" when it require disposable chunk of plastic to use it. The amount of water saved will really no
by maeln 3y ago
It is very ironic that they sell it has "eco-compact dishwasher" when it require disposable chunk of plastic to use it. The amount of water saved will really not make up for the amount of plastic thrash created.
From their website: "At Daan Tech, we’ve always believed that a more sustainable and fairer world is possible.", you really have to be cynical to write something like this and then sell a worse washing machine that generate lot of plastic waste.
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- CharlesTati 3y agoIt doesn't require the cassettes. You can use regular detergent.
- ovi256 3y ago> "At Daan Tech, we’ve always believed that a more sustainable and fairer world is possible.", you really have to be cynical to write something like this I tend to assume incompetence rather than malice. The marketing person that wrote that piece of copy never worried about the lifecycle waste analysis of the project they were working on, because they trusted the CEO/founder that hired them, who said it was gonna be good for the environment. They probably aren't the type of person that worries about nor has the skills to do a lifecycle waste analysis.
- lupire 3y agoWeaponized incompetence.
- PoignardAzur 3y agoYeah, I'm all for applying Hanlon's Razor, but in this case this seems like a clear case of "they had an incentive to say whatever made them look best and they sure followed it". "Weaponized incompetence" isn't a bad word for it.
- beirut_bootleg 3y agoPermit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher tablets in. This is mentioned in Bob's manual, and probably on the website as well. I've been doing this for years and had no issue. There is no DRM-like aspect to Bob. And finally, it's not a worse washing machine as you say, it's just smaller and more flexible (wrt plumbing), and as Techmoan mentions in his intro, this is a very strong advantage of Bob for people living in small European apartments. (source: owner of Bob)
- ShamelessC 3y agoPretty sure he addresses every one of your criticisms.
- puzzlingcaptcha 3y agoWhat's the carbon footprint of transporting the empty cassettes back for refilling? What percentage of Bob's customers bother to do that?
- pyrale 3y ago> What percentage of Bob's customers bother to do that? Would these people use a cleaner solution anyway? I mean, you can say that of any refilling system, if people don't use it.
- bzzzt 3y agoIt's more difficult if you have lots of special containers (in this case with integrated electronics) that can only be sent back to a specific shop. My dishwasher uses detergent powder which comes in simple plastic containers that can be dealt with via regular plastic waste collection.
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- amsterdorn 3y agoThe issue is that there's no incentive to return the chunks of plastic to them. They need to follow a Sodastream-like model to apply a discount to the next order when returning a unit, especially with such astronomical prices.
- vmfunction 3y agoThese refill packages for dishwasher, printers are just SaaS for products. It is terrible and contain 'dark pattern' to continuously over charge customers. Just also a lazy way to try to make business profitable and doesn't really provide any benefit to the customers.