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But surely... Gnome shouldn't be dropping X11 sessions until Slack do get their shit together? (And I'm not just talking about Slack obviously). I get it, peopl

But surely... Gnome shouldn't be dropping X11 sessions until Slack do get their shit together? (And I'm not just talking about Slack obviously). I get it, people are lazy, but I don't like these gun-to-the-head upgrades because the users are the losers. FWIW I tried to switch to Wayland 3 times in the last year before finally making it stick. I had to change a ton of silly little things, like: - grepping through my .config and /etc for any mention of xclip and switching to wl-copy (vimrc, tmux.conf to name two) - enabling webtrc on browsers so that screen sharing works in web apps (MS Teams still refuses to work) I don't know if there's a good source of migration tips that covers all of these things in one place so you can search for the things that affect you. But on a work machine, switching across can result in random minor disruptions over a week, some of them in the middle of meetings. And if you're having "one of those weeks" you need to switch back to what works. Even now on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, a bleeding edge rolling distro with excellent wayland + kde plasma support, I still run into the odd issue that makes me wanna switch back. Disappearing cursor is one. It's totally random, but if I click on a text input box on a browser, I get no text cursor. WTH.

raverbashing 3y ago
Why is wayland not shipping xclip (could be just a symbolic link to wl-copy) This is the kind of thing that makes it harder on people to switch The lack of focus and backwards compatibility in the open source world is appaling. As much as I like to complain about systemd it is not surprising it came to replace 3 scripts in a long coat
crote 3y ago
It's a chicken-and-egg problem. Apps like Slack don't want to invest time in supporting Wayland: just ask the user to switch to an X11 session! But Gnome shouldn't drop X11 support until all apps work on Wayland. In other words, we're stuck with X11 apps forever. Someone eventually has to break the stalemate, and Fedora is usually the distro making the switch first. Its users are used to stuff like this, and it serves as a nice heads-up for app developers to get to work because it'll land in RHEL within a year or two and you can't really claim Linux support if your app doesn't work on RHEL.
sloowm 3y ago
Gnome is not dropping X11, Fedora is. X11 will still be in Ubuntu 24.04 and can be used for 5 years. By that time there will be extensive hacks to even support the worst apps that refuse to properly support Linux desktops.

raverbashing 3y ago

Why is wayland not shipping xclip (could be just a symbolic link to wl-copy) This is the kind of thing that makes it harder on people to switch The lack of focus and backwards compatibility in the open source world is appaling. As much as I like to complain about systemd it is not surprising it came to replace 3 scripts in a long coat

crote 3y ago

It's a chicken-and-egg problem. Apps like Slack don't want to invest time in supporting Wayland: just ask the user to switch to an X11 session! But Gnome shouldn't drop X11 support until all apps work on Wayland. In other words, we're stuck with X11 apps forever. Someone eventually has to break the stalemate, and Fedora is usually the distro making the switch first. Its users are used to stuff like this, and it serves as a nice heads-up for app developers to get to work because it'll land in RHEL within a year or two and you can't really claim Linux support if your app doesn't work on RHEL.

sloowm 3y ago

Gnome is not dropping X11, Fedora is. X11 will still be in Ubuntu 24.04 and can be used for 5 years. By that time there will be extensive hacks to even support the worst apps that refuse to properly support Linux desktops.