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The privacy, spam, signal to noise, and user experience equation is different for everyone. For me it's a good tradeoff since they (say) don't store your histor

The privacy, spam, signal to noise, and user experience equation is different for everyone. For me it's a good tradeoff since they (say) don't store your history and the ad profile Google builds on you is probably more damaging to your privacy than a photo of the entire contents of your wallet.

Nullabillity 3y ago
> they (say) don't store your history They don't show your history. > the ad profile Google builds on you is probably more damaging to your privacy than a photo of the entire contents of your wallet. I can take measures to prevent Google from linking together a full profile. It sucks that it's necessary, but once you log in it's effectively game over. And your payment info has enough stable identifiers that it's trivial to link you to pretty much anything else you've paid for. --- The core misconception here seems to be the idea that there is such a thing as a honest for-profit corporation.
- iamthepieman 3y ago
  That's why I said it's an equation, a balance, if you will. Sounds like you are all the way over on one side. We need the Stallman's of the world but most people are not that committed to a single issue. > The core misconception here seems to be the idea that there is such a thing as a honest for-profit corporation. And I would say there's degrees. Even if all companies eventually slouch into a google-like organization, at least you can jump on the bandwagon until that happens and find another when it does. And maybe none of the wagons are headed to a strict privacy, user controlled data, and free-software utopia, but maybe not all of them are headed to Gomorrah.
- TheCoelacanth 3y ago
  Kagi explicitly promises not to store your history[1] and then takes your money based on that promise. If they do store your history, then they are committing fraud on a grand scale. [1] https://kagi.com/privacy https://kagi.com/privacy
  - Nullabillity 3y ago
    I see lots of promises, but very little proof. While, again, running a business model that massively increases the inherent risk compared to the competition.
    - freediver 3y ago
      One of the best things about paid business model for search is that it aligns incentives and decreases the risk of data mining as the business makes money through subscriptions, without any need for ads/selling data.
      - kiicia 3y ago
        Like all the companies that realized that quietly selling highly targetable user data is more profitable than their actual services? See all the "DNA analysis" companies selling data left and right
      - Nullabillity 3y ago
        Doing one doesn't prevent them from doing the other. It gives them more data about you to sell, while limiting the dataset to gullible rich people who think that you can capitalism yourself out of the problems of capitalism (the prime advertising target demographic).
        freediver 3y ago
        But what is the incentive?
        Nullabillity 3y ago
        Money? You are the one claiming that Kagi is somehow special, trustworthy, and immune to the same influences that drags down everyone else.
    - Supermancho 3y ago

Nullabillity 3y ago

> they (say) don't store your history They don't show your history. > the ad profile Google builds on you is probably more damaging to your privacy than a photo of the entire contents of your wallet. I can take measures to prevent Google from linking together a full profile. It sucks that it's necessary, but once you log in it's effectively game over. And your payment info has enough stable identifiers that it's trivial to link you to pretty much anything else you've paid for. --- The core misconception here seems to be the idea that there is such a thing as a honest for-profit corporation.

iamthepieman 3y ago
That's why I said it's an equation, a balance, if you will. Sounds like you are all the way over on one side. We need the Stallman's of the world but most people are not that committed to a single issue. > The core misconception here seems to be the idea that there is such a thing as a honest for-profit corporation. And I would say there's degrees. Even if all companies eventually slouch into a google-like organization, at least you can jump on the bandwagon until that happens and find another when it does. And maybe none of the wagons are headed to a strict privacy, user controlled data, and free-software utopia, but maybe not all of them are headed to Gomorrah.
TheCoelacanth 3y ago
Kagi explicitly promises not to store your history[1] and then takes your money based on that promise. If they do store your history, then they are committing fraud on a grand scale. [1] https://kagi.com/privacy https://kagi.com/privacy
- Nullabillity 3y ago
  I see lots of promises, but very little proof. While, again, running a business model that massively increases the inherent risk compared to the competition.
  - freediver 3y ago
    One of the best things about paid business model for search is that it aligns incentives and decreases the risk of data mining as the business makes money through subscriptions, without any need for ads/selling data.
    - kiicia 3y ago
      Like all the companies that realized that quietly selling highly targetable user data is more profitable than their actual services? See all the "DNA analysis" companies selling data left and right
    - Nullabillity 3y ago
      Doing one doesn't prevent them from doing the other. It gives them more data about you to sell, while limiting the dataset to gullible rich people who think that you can capitalism yourself out of the problems of capitalism (the prime advertising target demographic).
      - freediver 3y ago
        But what is the incentive?
        Nullabillity 3y ago
        Money? You are the one claiming that Kagi is somehow special, trustworthy, and immune to the same influences that drags down everyone else.
  - Supermancho 3y ago