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> and called Tesla owner Elon Musk a "technofascist" whose "green capitalism" is "a totalitarian technological attack on society." This seems insane to me. Is

by bdamm 3y ago

> and called Tesla owner Elon Musk a "technofascist" whose "green capitalism" is "a totalitarian technological attack on society." This seems insane to me. Is there any justification for this whatsoever? It seems like unhinged, childish, extremist thinking. I always want to find the deeper meaning behind people's actions but here all I see is fear of the unknown. Even if one didn't agree with climate change, why is making cars a bad thing?

ralfd 3y ago
They do agree with climate change, these radical leftists are just very very very very anti-capitalistic, and because of that big companies are evil and mining lithium is evil and cars are evil, and Tesla is uniquely evil and anti-union, and individual motorized mobility should be forbidden. Trains and buses should be the solution for low emission future. In fact it is more insane than the link reported. They claimed it as a „gift for international women day“ and the destruction of the Gigafactory would be a feminist win against „The Patriarchy“ (which is personified by capitalistic technofascist Daddy Elon.)
Spivak 3y ago
Well they're (presumably) not going after other electric car makers so I imagine the motivation has to be something somewhat unique about Tesla. I can kinda see the fascism angle with Musk at the center because yeah you have the cult of personality thing, grandiose promises of changing the world, super anti-socialist anti-liberal (meaning political liberalism), techbro libertarian, scapegoating minorities and "wokeness" as the source of societies ailments. I don't think I agree with the analysis but it kinda fits if you squint so I see how they got there. Green capitalism I assume they just mean as a synonym for greenwashing which I get but also Tesla isn't particularly egregious compared to other auto manufacturers. And "a totalitarian technological attack" I can only assume is the fact that Tesla is the poster child for a car manufacturer retaining an iron grip on their product even after it's sold plus the 360 always on networked cameras. It's like the far-right conspiracy about "15 minute cities" but they arrived there taking the left path where it's capitalist shadow government controlling the movements of people instead of government. Edit: From the sibling comments I can't figure out patriarchy. Elmo is publicly pretty anti-feminist and hurting his wallet hurts his political influence maybeee?
- panick21_ 3y ago
  German Eco-Leftist traditionally are very anti-Amercian. Tesla being a US company brings out all the insane conspiricy nonsense. And just by the way, the eco leftists also oppose expantion of the subway in Berlin. So their idea of a solution is incredibly dumb too.
rebolek 3y ago
Some people just want to bring havoc and mayhem. There's no other motivation. They may babble some nonsense along the way, but that's just it. Nonsense. They want pure chaos. Nothing against that, I don't agree with them, but it's probably important to have a bit of a pure chaos in our lives to remind us what's important. At least it's the better version of pure chaos than terrorism.
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sidcool 3y ago
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
lm28469 3y ago
> all I see is fear of the unknown. What's the unknown ? We're doing what we've been doing for 100 years, but this time "it's clean we swear"... Run the maths on what 2b+ vehicles represent, making them electric makes it ever so slightly better but still a far cry from clean. And that's not even touching the topic of mining, processing, recycling, &c. https://eurometaux.eu/media/20ad5yza/2022-policymaker-summary-report-final.pdf https://eurometaux.eu/media/20ad5yza/2022-policymaker-summar...
- panick21_ 3y ago
  Nothing in the world happens without mining. And yes trains and bikes are more efficent but its not Musk who created the car obcessed society. Within society as it actually is, EV are simply a necessity. On the list of bad actors, Tesla isnt anywhere remotly close to the top, I would argue they are a net positive.
  - lnxg33k1 3y ago
    Like Musk is not the guy who came up with the hyperloop in order to redirect public transport infrastructure funds https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article264451076.html https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article26445107...
    - frumper 3y ago
      That wasn't a hard line to push. I don't know many people in California that think it's a good idea. In a decade we'll have a train that is moderately faster than driving from Merced to Bakersfield. Seeing as how most people don't want to end in either endpoint, what is the plan once they get there? Rent a car? Not exactly money well spent according to most locals. That said, the HSR rail funding is largely funded by a proposition. It would not be possible to redirect that money. >Prop 1A funds cannot be allocated to another project/program e.g. housing, schools, etc. due to the Bond requirements that voters approved. https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Prop_1A_High-Level_Facts.pdf https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Prop_1A_High-L...
RecycledEle 3y ago
They disagree with you so much that you can not understand their talking points. I've been there. The other side claims that if you support A you must also support Q, or you are not serious. Please note: I am not defending the arsonists.

by bdamm 3y ago

ralfd 3y ago

They do agree with climate change, these radical leftists are just very very very very anti-capitalistic, and because of that big companies are evil and mining lithium is evil and cars are evil, and Tesla is uniquely evil and anti-union, and individual motorized mobility should be forbidden. Trains and buses should be the solution for low emission future. In fact it is more insane than the link reported. They claimed it as a „gift for international women day“ and the destruction of the Gigafactory would be a feminist win against „The Patriarchy“ (which is personified by capitalistic technofascist Daddy Elon.)

Spivak 3y ago

Well they're (presumably) not going after other electric car makers so I imagine the motivation has to be something somewhat unique about Tesla. I can kinda see the fascism angle with Musk at the center because yeah you have the cult of personality thing, grandiose promises of changing the world, super anti-socialist anti-liberal (meaning political liberalism), techbro libertarian, scapegoating minorities and "wokeness" as the source of societies ailments. I don't think I agree with the analysis but it kinda fits if you squint so I see how they got there. Green capitalism I assume they just mean as a synonym for greenwashing which I get but also Tesla isn't particularly egregious compared to other auto manufacturers. And "a totalitarian technological attack" I can only assume is the fact that Tesla is the poster child for a car manufacturer retaining an iron grip on their product even after it's sold plus the 360 always on networked cameras. It's like the far-right conspiracy about "15 minute cities" but they arrived there taking the left path where it's capitalist shadow government controlling the movements of people instead of government. Edit: From the sibling comments I can't figure out patriarchy. Elmo is publicly pretty anti-feminist and hurting his wallet hurts his political influence maybeee?

panick21_ 3y ago
German Eco-Leftist traditionally are very anti-Amercian. Tesla being a US company brings out all the insane conspiricy nonsense. And just by the way, the eco leftists also oppose expantion of the subway in Berlin. So their idea of a solution is incredibly dumb too.

rebolek 3y ago

Some people just want to bring havoc and mayhem. There's no other motivation. They may babble some nonsense along the way, but that's just it. Nonsense. They want pure chaos. Nothing against that, I don't agree with them, but it's probably important to have a bit of a pure chaos in our lives to remind us what's important. At least it's the better version of pure chaos than terrorism.

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sidcool 3y ago

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

lm28469 3y ago

> all I see is fear of the unknown. What's the unknown ? We're doing what we've been doing for 100 years, but this time "it's clean we swear"... Run the maths on what 2b+ vehicles represent, making them electric makes it ever so slightly better but still a far cry from clean. And that's not even touching the topic of mining, processing, recycling, &c. https://eurometaux.eu/media/20ad5yza/2022-policymaker-summary-report-final.pdf https://eurometaux.eu/media/20ad5yza/2022-policymaker-summar...

panick21_ 3y ago
Nothing in the world happens without mining. And yes trains and bikes are more efficent but its not Musk who created the car obcessed society. Within society as it actually is, EV are simply a necessity. On the list of bad actors, Tesla isnt anywhere remotly close to the top, I would argue they are a net positive.
- lnxg33k1 3y ago
  Like Musk is not the guy who came up with the hyperloop in order to redirect public transport infrastructure funds https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article264451076.html https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article26445107...
  - frumper 3y ago
    That wasn't a hard line to push. I don't know many people in California that think it's a good idea. In a decade we'll have a train that is moderately faster than driving from Merced to Bakersfield. Seeing as how most people don't want to end in either endpoint, what is the plan once they get there? Rent a car? Not exactly money well spent according to most locals. That said, the HSR rail funding is largely funded by a proposition. It would not be possible to redirect that money. >Prop 1A funds cannot be allocated to another project/program e.g. housing, schools, etc. due to the Bond requirements that voters approved. https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Prop_1A_High-Level_Facts.pdf https://hsr.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Prop_1A_High-L...

RecycledEle 3y ago

They disagree with you so much that you can not understand their talking points. I've been there. The other side claims that if you support A you must also support Q, or you are not serious. Please note: I am not defending the arsonists.