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I am European and hate all the regulations they’ve done so far. I know it’s a very rare pov, but for me all of these new legislations are terrible both for the

I am European and hate all the regulations they’ve done so far. I know it’s a very rare pov, but for me all of these new legislations are terrible both for the consumers AND the small developers (which I am both). The ONLY people getting something are the somewhat big companies.

mousetree 3y ago
Which regulations do you feel are terrible for consumers and small developers?
- denton-scratch 3y ago
  GP told you: all of them.
imp0cat 3y ago
Including USB-C? I find that hard to believe.
- pbmonster 3y ago
  And roaming charges? Who doesn't like paying every time they go abroad for something that is now entirely free.
  - mdrzn 3y ago
    And the fact that we went from having to pay a few € for 500MB to having (with Iliad) 10 GB FREE roaming in the whole EU? Damn I love the EU so much.
  - MarcusE1W 3y ago
    You could not even get near a border without a foreign telecom provider trying to connect you to their network abroad with powerful senders and charge through the roof. Those where the days ;-)
    - olabyne 3y ago
      Still a problem with that pesky Switzerland in the middle. Do not approach any Swiss antenna without reading your telecom contract !
      - imp0cat 3y ago
        Montenegro in the Balkans is the same.
  - ttoinou 3y ago
    There's no free lunch
- frizlab 3y ago
  USB-C was the first to grind my gear. Believe it or not I like the feel of the lightning plug and still prefer it over USB-C. I don’t care about transfer speed or whatnot for my phone I use the cable exclusively for charging. EDIT: In any case it’s not even the lightning vs. USB-C that matters it’s the fact that the plug is mandatory. What if someone discovers a revolutionary plug someday? Well too bad, can’t use it because EU decided USB-C is perfect.
  - imp0cat 3y ago
    It's not only Lightning, it's the myriad of other, sometimes totally custom, power connectors. Perhaps you're too young to remember the times when a laptop, phone, headphones and game console all required custom adapters?
    - frizlab 3y ago
      I know and remember. But the industry had already chosen USB-C, the legislation was kind of a bit F U to Apple more than anything else and I’m still convinced it was completely useless… except it has in effect prevented anything new to appear ever. Everybody is happy of this change because USB-C is an ok plug (and better than everything that existed apart from Lightning AFAIK), but it’s still something that should never have been done.
      - imp0cat 3y ago
        Right, I can see your point. But I think you're too optimistic and the convergence to USB-C would be a lot slower were it not for this legislation.
ta1243 3y ago
You hate (not dislike, actively hate) 861/2007, the European Small Claims procedure? and 1007/2011, you are really that opinionated on textile fibre names?
- hef19898 3y ago
  Hey, textile fibres arw worn by everyone everyday!
- tristor 3y ago
  I realize you are using these examples as something so innocuous and inoffensive nobody would oppose such regulation. However, you clearly have not read either regulation in full and with due consideration of its effects. You can form your own judgments, but these regulations are not without tradeoffs. Take 1007/2011, on one hand this just centralizes and codifies some existing regulations to reduce country-specific administrative burdens, on the other hand in Chapter 2, Articles 5 and 6, it places onerous regulatory burdens on anyone wanting to create new textile blends. You can no longer simply produce such a product and make it honestly available to the market, it’s illegal to sell without first getting the EU to agree to add your textile blend to Annex I, which requires an extensive bureaucratic process with destructive testing requirements. On one hand, it’s important to know exactly what is in a product, on other hand being so distrustful that you mandate expensive destructive testing before the first offer to market means either you expect people to regularly violate these laws at the margins or you intend to completely stamp out small time inventors. Contrary to what the average person thinks there is a lot of active development in the textile industry trying to find new fiber sources and production methods which lower costs and lower environmental impacts. This is especially true in the production of rayon, with things like the lyocell process, using new cellulose sources like bamboo and eucalyptus, and identifying alternative chemical pathways for the production of viscose. Regulations like these are a two edged sword, like all regulations. Comparing the US to the EU, the EU generally has higher product quality standards but lags the US in innovation, part of the reason why is due to these types of regulations. It is much easier for a small-time inventor to go from idea to product in market in the US than the EU, including in the textile space.
  - 3y ago
7moritz7 3y ago
Yeah, no. You just don't follow the EU in detail. Read the EU parliament IG summaries of what happens each week for example. I have much more faith in EU politics than in German ones because they actually seem agile, and run by people with expertise for their respective project.

mousetree 3y ago

Which regulations do you feel are terrible for consumers and small developers?

denton-scratch 3y ago
GP told you: all of them.

imp0cat 3y ago

Including USB-C? I find that hard to believe.

pbmonster 3y ago
And roaming charges? Who doesn't like paying every time they go abroad for something that is now entirely free.
- mdrzn 3y ago
  And the fact that we went from having to pay a few € for 500MB to having (with Iliad) 10 GB FREE roaming in the whole EU? Damn I love the EU so much.
- MarcusE1W 3y ago
  You could not even get near a border without a foreign telecom provider trying to connect you to their network abroad with powerful senders and charge through the roof. Those where the days ;-)
  - olabyne 3y ago
    Still a problem with that pesky Switzerland in the middle. Do not approach any Swiss antenna without reading your telecom contract !
    - imp0cat 3y ago
      Montenegro in the Balkans is the same.
- ttoinou 3y ago
  There's no free lunch
frizlab 3y ago
USB-C was the first to grind my gear. Believe it or not I like the feel of the lightning plug and still prefer it over USB-C. I don’t care about transfer speed or whatnot for my phone I use the cable exclusively for charging. EDIT: In any case it’s not even the lightning vs. USB-C that matters it’s the fact that the plug is mandatory. What if someone discovers a revolutionary plug someday? Well too bad, can’t use it because EU decided USB-C is perfect.
- imp0cat 3y ago
  It's not only Lightning, it's the myriad of other, sometimes totally custom, power connectors. Perhaps you're too young to remember the times when a laptop, phone, headphones and game console all required custom adapters?
  - frizlab 3y ago
    I know and remember. But the industry had already chosen USB-C, the legislation was kind of a bit F U to Apple more than anything else and I’m still convinced it was completely useless… except it has in effect prevented anything new to appear ever. Everybody is happy of this change because USB-C is an ok plug (and better than everything that existed apart from Lightning AFAIK), but it’s still something that should never have been done.
    - imp0cat 3y ago
      Right, I can see your point. But I think you're too optimistic and the convergence to USB-C would be a lot slower were it not for this legislation.

ta1243 3y ago

You hate (not dislike, actively hate) 861/2007, the European Small Claims procedure? and 1007/2011, you are really that opinionated on textile fibre names?

hef19898 3y ago
Hey, textile fibres arw worn by everyone everyday!
tristor 3y ago
I realize you are using these examples as something so innocuous and inoffensive nobody would oppose such regulation. However, you clearly have not read either regulation in full and with due consideration of its effects. You can form your own judgments, but these regulations are not without tradeoffs. Take 1007/2011, on one hand this just centralizes and codifies some existing regulations to reduce country-specific administrative burdens, on the other hand in Chapter 2, Articles 5 and 6, it places onerous regulatory burdens on anyone wanting to create new textile blends. You can no longer simply produce such a product and make it honestly available to the market, it’s illegal to sell without first getting the EU to agree to add your textile blend to Annex I, which requires an extensive bureaucratic process with destructive testing requirements. On one hand, it’s important to know exactly what is in a product, on other hand being so distrustful that you mandate expensive destructive testing before the first offer to market means either you expect people to regularly violate these laws at the margins or you intend to completely stamp out small time inventors. Contrary to what the average person thinks there is a lot of active development in the textile industry trying to find new fiber sources and production methods which lower costs and lower environmental impacts. This is especially true in the production of rayon, with things like the lyocell process, using new cellulose sources like bamboo and eucalyptus, and identifying alternative chemical pathways for the production of viscose. Regulations like these are a two edged sword, like all regulations. Comparing the US to the EU, the EU generally has higher product quality standards but lags the US in innovation, part of the reason why is due to these types of regulations. It is much easier for a small-time inventor to go from idea to product in market in the US than the EU, including in the textile space.
- 3y ago

7moritz7 3y ago

Yeah, no. You just don't follow the EU in detail. Read the EU parliament IG summaries of what happens each week for example. I have much more faith in EU politics than in German ones because they actually seem agile, and run by people with expertise for their respective project.