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Why make things up and assume when you could spend the time you took to write your comment to read the facts? > from far-left parties No. Emmanuel Macron, the

by jraph 3y ago

Why make things up and assume when you could spend the time you took to write your comment to read the facts? > from far-left parties No. Emmanuel Macron, the president, fairly right-sided, pushed it and then everybody welcomed it except some people at the right. Now of course he could use something good for his image, he pretty much pissed most people a few months ago with how he used every non democratic ways he could to push his retirement reform despite a majority of people being against it (including people mostly agreeing with the content of this reform, but not comfortable with how he handled it). Actually far-left sided parties are vanishingly small and wouldn't have the power to push something like this. > who are utterly powerless when it comes to economic policies Off-topic and not needed here. Edit to answer the edit: La France Insoumise is hardly far left. It is roughly between le parti socialiste which had almost vanished two years ago, and le parti communiste, itself before Lutte Ouvrière and the NPA. I believe "far" is synonymous with "ideas I really don't like" and better avoided anyway. It doesn't do any good, let's properly reject bad ideas with proper arguments instead.

wesselbindt 3y ago
>> who are utterly powerless when it comes to economic policies >Off-topic and not needed here. French politics is off-topic in a thread on French politics?
- jraph 3y ago
  "politics" is very broad. Should I mention Bézier curves when discussing instruction sets just because both are related to computer science, without any other connection? This inflammatory gratuitous hot take without any evidence to prove it on a subject unrelated to the discussion at hand (far left parties are not especially more related to this new constitutional abortion right than any other party) just doesn't belong here and will probably not lead to interesting discussions. Whether it is true or not.
yodsanklai 3y ago
> Emmanuel Macron, the president, fairly right-sided, pushed it and then everybody welcomed it except some people at the right. LFI (france far left party) wants to call this "Loi Panot" and claim the victory. Panot is the LFI representative who has initiated this law. Macron eventually thought it would be good to surf this wave. > Dans une publication partagée sur X, le groupe parlementaire a réalisé un montage illustrant Mathilde Panot, la cheffe de file des Insoumis, aux côtés de Simone Veil, icône de la lutte contre la discrimination des femmes en France. « On l'a fait ! » illustre l'image avec « #LoiPanot ».
- jraph 3y ago
  Okay, LFI pushed it. LFI has its issues but is hardly far left, see my edit. It's just one of the bigger left parties. Also see, you mentioned "far left parties". That felt undocumented, and looked like a platitude. It's one party, for starters. Hand wavy statements will just gather evasive and inaccurate answers. To be honest, I initially imagined you were not French and making undocumented claims on French politics, I now understand you are French (you stated it).
soco 3y ago
In the States also about anything which is not republican is getting called "far left" so calling FI like that might be a simple mater of habit.
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orwin 3y ago
Far left parties aren't represented in the parliement. In fact, one of them only partakes in elections for executive power. How to spot far-left: they want to go beyond representative democracy: direct democracy and/or autogestion are their desired end goal. They want to remove executive power (no mayor or president by default), and their view on legislative power differ too much to matter LFI '6th republic' still is a representative republic, with a more participative glow than the 5th, but is basically the same. They are pro-constitutionalists (basically it mean they will respect the judicial power), want to weaken the executive power but not remove it, to go back to a more northern European kind of democracy. Far right is basically antidemocracy. That can have different form, recently in France, attacks on elected officials, or on judges.
yodsanklai 3y ago
I'm not sharing any personal views on LFI. But they are classified as far-left and they do claim this victory. It's all over French news. Not sure what your arguing against. From [1] > Mathilde Panot (French pronunciation: [matild pano]; born 15 January 1989) is a far-left French politician who has presided over the La France Insoumise group in the National Assembly since October 2021. Then, "La France Insoumise" claims the victory and brand this law as "loi Panot" on their own youtube page [2], [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathilde_Panot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathilde_Panot [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyllRDbKWtc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyllRDbKWtc
- jraph 3y ago
  > I'm not sharing any personal views on LFI Me neither, to be clear. > they are classified as far-left By whom? Some small portion of its detractors? Anyway, no need for spreading wrong ideas, regardless the number of people claiming them. French Wikipedia claims this but this is unsubstantiated. Qualifying it as "far" just serves the purpose of wrongly likening it to the Rassemblement National, which is convenient for Macron & its friends. Consequences of LFI or the RN gaining power are radically different. Now for sure it's not "soft" left. I believe you when you say LFI pushed this idea. That's very like them.
isolli 3y ago
Emmanuel Macron's party rejected it twice in 2018 and 2019, when it was promoted by left-wing parties, and only changed its mind after the US Supreme Court decision [0] [0] https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/ivg/vrai-ou-fake-avortement-la-majorite-presidentielle-a-t-elle-retoque-par-le-passe-deux-textes-proposant-d-inscrire-l-ivg-dans-la-constitution_5220544.html https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/ivg/vrai-ou-fake-avortem...

by jraph 3y ago

wesselbindt 3y ago

>> who are utterly powerless when it comes to economic policies >Off-topic and not needed here. French politics is off-topic in a thread on French politics?

jraph 3y ago
"politics" is very broad. Should I mention Bézier curves when discussing instruction sets just because both are related to computer science, without any other connection? This inflammatory gratuitous hot take without any evidence to prove it on a subject unrelated to the discussion at hand (far left parties are not especially more related to this new constitutional abortion right than any other party) just doesn't belong here and will probably not lead to interesting discussions. Whether it is true or not.

yodsanklai 3y ago

> Emmanuel Macron, the president, fairly right-sided, pushed it and then everybody welcomed it except some people at the right. LFI (france far left party) wants to call this "Loi Panot" and claim the victory. Panot is the LFI representative who has initiated this law. Macron eventually thought it would be good to surf this wave. > Dans une publication partagée sur X, le groupe parlementaire a réalisé un montage illustrant Mathilde Panot, la cheffe de file des Insoumis, aux côtés de Simone Veil, icône de la lutte contre la discrimination des femmes en France. « On l'a fait ! » illustre l'image avec « #LoiPanot ».

jraph 3y ago
Okay, LFI pushed it. LFI has its issues but is hardly far left, see my edit. It's just one of the bigger left parties. Also see, you mentioned "far left parties". That felt undocumented, and looked like a platitude. It's one party, for starters. Hand wavy statements will just gather evasive and inaccurate answers. To be honest, I initially imagined you were not French and making undocumented claims on French politics, I now understand you are French (you stated it).

soco 3y ago

In the States also about anything which is not republican is getting called "far left" so calling FI like that might be a simple mater of habit.

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orwin 3y ago

Far left parties aren't represented in the parliement. In fact, one of them only partakes in elections for executive power. How to spot far-left: they want to go beyond representative democracy: direct democracy and/or autogestion are their desired end goal. They want to remove executive power (no mayor or president by default), and their view on legislative power differ too much to matter LFI '6th republic' still is a representative republic, with a more participative glow than the 5th, but is basically the same. They are pro-constitutionalists (basically it mean they will respect the judicial power), want to weaken the executive power but not remove it, to go back to a more northern European kind of democracy. Far right is basically antidemocracy. That can have different form, recently in France, attacks on elected officials, or on judges.

yodsanklai 3y ago

I'm not sharing any personal views on LFI. But they are classified as far-left and they do claim this victory. It's all over French news. Not sure what your arguing against. From [1] > Mathilde Panot (French pronunciation: [matild pano]; born 15 January 1989) is a far-left French politician who has presided over the La France Insoumise group in the National Assembly since October 2021. Then, "La France Insoumise" claims the victory and brand this law as "loi Panot" on their own youtube page [2], [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathilde_Panot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathilde_Panot [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyllRDbKWtc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyllRDbKWtc

jraph 3y ago
> I'm not sharing any personal views on LFI Me neither, to be clear. > they are classified as far-left By whom? Some small portion of its detractors? Anyway, no need for spreading wrong ideas, regardless the number of people claiming them. French Wikipedia claims this but this is unsubstantiated. Qualifying it as "far" just serves the purpose of wrongly likening it to the Rassemblement National, which is convenient for Macron & its friends. Consequences of LFI or the RN gaining power are radically different. Now for sure it's not "soft" left. I believe you when you say LFI pushed this idea. That's very like them.

isolli 3y ago

Emmanuel Macron's party rejected it twice in 2018 and 2019, when it was promoted by left-wing parties, and only changed its mind after the US Supreme Court decision [0] [0] https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/ivg/vrai-ou-fake-avortement-la-majorite-presidentielle-a-t-elle-retoque-par-le-passe-deux-textes-proposant-d-inscrire-l-ivg-dans-la-constitution_5220544.html https://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/ivg/vrai-ou-fake-avortem...