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And they have Linux integrated into the system. I'm amazed how many developers get a Macbook just to install Docker Desktop right after.

postalrat 3y ago
Isn't docker's filesystem performance still terrible in macox compared to linux?
- sombrero_john 3y ago
  Good enough for local development
  - postalrat 3y ago
    If you can get away with the performance of machine that feels 10 years older than it is.
    - BossingAround 3y ago
      Why do you care about filesystem performance in containers? If you're running a DB from it, you surely have <10-20 concurrent users (e.g. other containers) to that DB, so who cares whether a lookup takes 1us or 10ms?
      - postalrat 3y ago
        In local development you have builds and other things that watch files for changes.
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  I think performance of Apple silicon is mediocre in many applications. Direct memory access by the GPU is pretty nice, but even with that it doesn't really convince. There are scenarios where it is surprisingly good though and that even includes some applications in x86 mode. The only thing I really like about MacBooks are their displays. If notebook manufacturers would get their houses in order, they could have more attractive devices again. Perhaps their management suffers from bad eyesight. Although one strength of Apple is also that Windows is so incredibly terrible right now. And I don't see that improving in the near term, their strategy is anti-user for decades. Apples strategy is too, but to a lesser degree and I don't see Windows getting anything right.
  - fennecbutt 3y ago
    Idk Macos has terrible stuff too: No calendar included in taskbar in OS like Windows has, only a calendar app that you have to launch Per folder sorting in finder doesn't work in the file dialogue, finder never remembers which folders I want by date, alphabetised, etc. Everything hidden away and abstracted, finding out what's actually consuming memory and swap can be much more difficult than it should, esp for ppl that got 8gb model bc AAPL want to make 99999% profit on ram and ssd upgrades. Lots of features that are only available when your other devices are also in the Apple ecosystem. If they could get away with making MBs only connect to special "Apple AirTalk™" (WiFi) APs then they absolutely would.
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vundercind 3y ago
"Integrated"? It's still just a VM. They gave up on "integrated" with WSL2.
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  But it is a well integrated VM, since you have direct access to most hardware.
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ActorNightly 3y ago
"Linux integrated " is a very optimistic way to put it lol. Its Unix-like under the hood, with mostly same syntax for the terminal, but linux and MacOS are very fundamentally different.
- vultour 3y ago
  That's why I was talking about Windows.

postalrat 3y ago

Isn't docker's filesystem performance still terrible in macox compared to linux?

sombrero_john 3y ago
Good enough for local development
- postalrat 3y ago
  If you can get away with the performance of machine that feels 10 years older than it is.
  - BossingAround 3y ago
    Why do you care about filesystem performance in containers? If you're running a DB from it, you surely have <10-20 concurrent users (e.g. other containers) to that DB, so who cares whether a lookup takes 1us or 10ms?
    - postalrat 3y ago
      In local development you have builds and other things that watch files for changes.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
I think performance of Apple silicon is mediocre in many applications. Direct memory access by the GPU is pretty nice, but even with that it doesn't really convince. There are scenarios where it is surprisingly good though and that even includes some applications in x86 mode. The only thing I really like about MacBooks are their displays. If notebook manufacturers would get their houses in order, they could have more attractive devices again. Perhaps their management suffers from bad eyesight. Although one strength of Apple is also that Windows is so incredibly terrible right now. And I don't see that improving in the near term, their strategy is anti-user for decades. Apples strategy is too, but to a lesser degree and I don't see Windows getting anything right.
- fennecbutt 3y ago
  Idk Macos has terrible stuff too: No calendar included in taskbar in OS like Windows has, only a calendar app that you have to launch Per folder sorting in finder doesn't work in the file dialogue, finder never remembers which folders I want by date, alphabetised, etc. Everything hidden away and abstracted, finding out what's actually consuming memory and swap can be much more difficult than it should, esp for ppl that got 8gb model bc AAPL want to make 99999% profit on ram and ssd upgrades. Lots of features that are only available when your other devices are also in the Apple ecosystem. If they could get away with making MBs only connect to special "Apple AirTalk™" (WiFi) APs then they absolutely would.

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vundercind 3y ago

"Integrated"? It's still just a VM. They gave up on "integrated" with WSL2.

raxxorraxor 3y ago
But it is a well integrated VM, since you have direct access to most hardware.

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ActorNightly 3y ago

"Linux integrated " is a very optimistic way to put it lol. Its Unix-like under the hood, with mostly same syntax for the terminal, but linux and MacOS are very fundamentally different.

vultour 3y ago
That's why I was talking about Windows.