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I wouldn't say the fanbase is arguing against it. Apple just have a good understanding of their average user. While you may have no issue installing unsigned ap

I wouldn't say the fanbase is arguing against it. Apple just have a good understanding of their average user. While you may have no issue installing unsigned apps and dealing with any troubleshooting, their average user, or most users, don't. It's not to say they don't have a financial incentive to disallow app installs outside of their App Store, but there is a predictable cost in terms of support man hours and device troubleshooting they will incur in addition to lost revenue. So long as it is legal for them to continue business as usual, they have no incetive to allow it and the large majority of the userbase don't care.

nolok 3y ago
Ahem, let me show you how that's not it : > While you may have no issue using a different browser/media player/OS/... and dealing with any troubleshooting, their average user, or most users, don't.
throw0101a 3y ago
> […] but there is a predictable cost in terms of support man hours and device troubleshooting they will incur in addition to lost revenue. There is also the cost of externalities of more systems being infected that the rest of the connected world has to deal with.
beeboobaa 3y ago
You're doing it right now.
- bscip 3y ago
  I feel like that must be a sarcastic response without the "/s"
- valianteffort 3y ago
  Congratulations, you lack even the mental capacity to see that I was explaining the situation not defending it. How do you manage to breathe on your own I wonder.
amelius 3y ago
> While you may have no issue installing unsigned apps and dealing with any troubleshooting, their average user, or most users, don't. These average users shouldn't come near a MacBook then.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Average users, don't. My sister does everything on a phone or tablet and doesn't see the point of a "proper" computer, the guy at the bank plugs an iPad into a monitor. A MacBook is a work tool, like an angle grinder or a JCB. Most people don't know how to get the most out of them if they were given one.
  - vundercind 3y ago
    I’m a computer nerd, and even then, all my actually-important-for-real-life computing takes place on my phone.
- rahoulb 3y ago
  Many years ago I used to despair every time I used my dad's windows machine. Every time, his browser window was filled with loads of toolbars installed by various sites and utilities, leaving him with a tiny usable content area. I kept explaining why this happened and he never changed his behaviour. I got him to buy a Mac and for a few years things went well. But then he started complaining about it behaving weirdly or running slowly. I'd take a look and find he'd installed some free utility or some other odd bit of software that was screwing up his machine. I kept explaining why this happened and he never changed his behaviour. I keep telling him to get an iPad, as at least then everything would be sandboxed and iOS would kill background tasks. But he says, no, he needs a real computer.
  - Terretta 3y ago
    This is the end user reality HN generally fails to empathize with. Users need computing consoles or appliances. PS. Now that you can dock an iPad with an external screen and keyboard and trackpad, try that for him, tell him it's the new Macpad Pro.

nolok 3y ago

Ahem, let me show you how that's not it : > While you may have no issue using a different browser/media player/OS/... and dealing with any troubleshooting, their average user, or most users, don't.

throw0101a 3y ago

> […] but there is a predictable cost in terms of support man hours and device troubleshooting they will incur in addition to lost revenue. There is also the cost of externalities of more systems being infected that the rest of the connected world has to deal with.

beeboobaa 3y ago

You're doing it right now.

bscip 3y ago
I feel like that must be a sarcastic response without the "/s"
valianteffort 3y ago
Congratulations, you lack even the mental capacity to see that I was explaining the situation not defending it. How do you manage to breathe on your own I wonder.

amelius 3y ago

> While you may have no issue installing unsigned apps and dealing with any troubleshooting, their average user, or most users, don't. These average users shouldn't come near a MacBook then.

ben_w 3y ago
Average users, don't. My sister does everything on a phone or tablet and doesn't see the point of a "proper" computer, the guy at the bank plugs an iPad into a monitor. A MacBook is a work tool, like an angle grinder or a JCB. Most people don't know how to get the most out of them if they were given one.
- vundercind 3y ago
  I’m a computer nerd, and even then, all my actually-important-for-real-life computing takes place on my phone.
rahoulb 3y ago
Many years ago I used to despair every time I used my dad's windows machine. Every time, his browser window was filled with loads of toolbars installed by various sites and utilities, leaving him with a tiny usable content area. I kept explaining why this happened and he never changed his behaviour. I got him to buy a Mac and for a few years things went well. But then he started complaining about it behaving weirdly or running slowly. I'd take a look and find he'd installed some free utility or some other odd bit of software that was screwing up his machine. I kept explaining why this happened and he never changed his behaviour. I keep telling him to get an iPad, as at least then everything would be sandboxed and iOS would kill background tasks. But he says, no, he needs a real computer.
- Terretta 3y ago
  This is the end user reality HN generally fails to empathize with. Users need computing consoles or appliances. PS. Now that you can dock an iPad with an external screen and keyboard and trackpad, try that for him, tell him it's the new Macpad Pro.