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Interesting claim: > Today, Spotify has a 56 percent share of Europe’s music streaming market — more than double their closest competitor’s — and pays Apple no

Interesting claim: > Today, Spotify has a 56 percent share of Europe’s music streaming market — more than double their closest competitor’s — and pays Apple nothing for the services that have helped make them one of the most recognizable brands in the world. Don't they have to pay the provision of the subscription like other apps? EDIT: actually read the letter and they indeed don't (thanks for the responses too)

lutoma 3y ago
Spotify does not allow you to subscribe in their iOS app. You have to do that in a browser and then log in. That way Apple does not get a cut.
- transcriptase 3y ago
  It’s telling that Apple would rather get 30% of 0 than lower their fees to the point where it’s mutually beneficial for Spotify and other large apps to offer in-app subscriptions. If an app is charging users $1000 a month, what entitles Apple to $300 of that versus the $3 of a $10 subscription? It seems like more of a tax than a fee that allows Apple to profitably operate the store and infrastructure.
ankit219 3y ago
It explains it later that spotify does not allow for subscription via App store. so, all they pay is $100 per year as a dev fee which is basically nothing. Apple also claims that they flew an engineer to Sweden to help out Spotify.
raverbashing 3y ago
> pays Apple nothing Nothing? Not even the developers fees? C'mon Apple
pohuing 3y ago
Apparently not. Spotify sells their subscriptions on their website.
efraim 3y ago
> Today, Spotify has a 56 percent share of Europe’s music streaming market — more than double their closest competitor’s — and pays Apple nothing for the services that have helped make them one of the most recognizable brands in the world. And they shouldn't have to, users should be able to install whatever software they want on their devices without paying a gatekeeper for it. Spotify exists on the web as well, they don't have to pay Google or Mozilla for delivering the service to their users. They don't have to pay Microsoft when users downloads and installs desktop software for windows. So why should Apple get any money because users install Spotify on their iphones? I'm sure Spotify pays Google for their cloud services that actually helps make them successful.
- ralfd 3y ago
  > they don't have to pay Google or Mozilla for delivering the service to their users. Spotify has a secret deal with Google: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969690/google-spotify-android-billing-commission-secret-deal https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969690/google-spotify-...
trollied 3y ago
$100/year dev license. Not bad for 119 billion downloads!
- Mindwipe 3y ago
  If Apple want to charge more for X-code and it's not mandatory to use it to sign the keys they should. I think everyone knows how that would go for them in a competitive market.
have_faith 3y ago
So much arrogance from them recently. The biggest threat to Apple right now are themselves.
grishka 3y ago
> for the services that have helped make them one of the most recognizable brands in the world I'm pretty sure Apple did nothing for that, Spotify's own marketing did. It's not like people discover that Spotify is a thing thanks to the app store.

lutoma 3y ago

Spotify does not allow you to subscribe in their iOS app. You have to do that in a browser and then log in. That way Apple does not get a cut.

transcriptase 3y ago
It’s telling that Apple would rather get 30% of 0 than lower their fees to the point where it’s mutually beneficial for Spotify and other large apps to offer in-app subscriptions. If an app is charging users $1000 a month, what entitles Apple to $300 of that versus the $3 of a $10 subscription? It seems like more of a tax than a fee that allows Apple to profitably operate the store and infrastructure.

ankit219 3y ago

It explains it later that spotify does not allow for subscription via App store. so, all they pay is $100 per year as a dev fee which is basically nothing. Apple also claims that they flew an engineer to Sweden to help out Spotify.

raverbashing 3y ago

> pays Apple nothing Nothing? Not even the developers fees? C'mon Apple

pohuing 3y ago

Apparently not. Spotify sells their subscriptions on their website.

efraim 3y ago

> Today, Spotify has a 56 percent share of Europe’s music streaming market — more than double their closest competitor’s — and pays Apple nothing for the services that have helped make them one of the most recognizable brands in the world. And they shouldn't have to, users should be able to install whatever software they want on their devices without paying a gatekeeper for it. Spotify exists on the web as well, they don't have to pay Google or Mozilla for delivering the service to their users. They don't have to pay Microsoft when users downloads and installs desktop software for windows. So why should Apple get any money because users install Spotify on their iphones? I'm sure Spotify pays Google for their cloud services that actually helps make them successful.

ralfd 3y ago
> they don't have to pay Google or Mozilla for delivering the service to their users. Spotify has a secret deal with Google: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969690/google-spotify-android-billing-commission-secret-deal https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969690/google-spotify-...

trollied 3y ago

$100/year dev license. Not bad for 119 billion downloads!

Mindwipe 3y ago
If Apple want to charge more for X-code and it's not mandatory to use it to sign the keys they should. I think everyone knows how that would go for them in a competitive market.

have_faith 3y ago

So much arrogance from them recently. The biggest threat to Apple right now are themselves.

grishka 3y ago

> for the services that have helped make them one of the most recognizable brands in the world I'm pretty sure Apple did nothing for that, Spotify's own marketing did. It's not like people discover that Spotify is a thing thanks to the app store.