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Could someone please explain to me the following: does Apple have to pay the fine just once and then it can continue with the same practice of taking its 30% cu

Could someone please explain to me the following: does Apple have to pay the fine just once and then it can continue with the same practice of taking its 30% cut and preventing Spotify to direct users outside of the app for payment? Or can EU sue Apple immediately again for the same thing? Or does Apple get some time to change their ways and if they don't, then they will get fined even more?

tpm 3y ago
They can continue to take 30%, but can't stop apps using other subscription methods. > Apple will now have to remove terms that prevent developers telling users about other subscription methods. https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-gets-e1-8b-eu-antitrust-fine-for-abusive-app-terms/ https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-gets-e1-8b-eu-antitrus...
lucianbr 3y ago
When you are fined for speeding, can you then just go on speeding like the speed limit does not apply to you, having paid the fine once? No. Apple is ordered to change their behavior and pay a fine. If they pay the fine but repeat the behavior, they are in for more trouble. The second time around, it would not take years to do the investigation and decide on the fine. It would be really fast. However, what I'm worried is that they may appeal the fine, and get it reduced. This happens sometimes with these fines, actualy feels like most times.
gcanyon 3y ago
I think Spotify can direct users outside of the app for payment? From Apple's response: > Music app developers can even include information about other offers available outside of their app, along with a link directing users to a website to create and manage their account.
- hu3 3y ago
  Apps can link to external payment methods only if they pay Apple. And there's a bunch of bureaucracy. You have to apply to the program beforehand, follow a bunch of guidelines, implement a bunch of hooks in app code and pray they will approve. See section "Commission, transaction reports, and payments" from: https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitlement-us/ https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitl... > Apple’s commission will be 27% on proceeds you earn from sales (“transactions“) to the user for digital goods or services on your website after a link out (i.e., they tap “Continue” on the system disclosure sheet), provided that the sale was initiated within seven days and the digital goods or services can be used in an app. This includes (a) any applicable taxes and (b) any adjustments for refunds, reversals and chargebacks. For auto-renewing subscriptions, (i) a sale initiated, including with a free trial or offer, within seven days after a link out is a transaction; and (ii) each subsequent auto-renewal after the subscription is initiated is also a transaction.
  - ncruces 3y ago
    You can either pay Apple 30%, or you can pay Apple 27%… and then negotiate terms with your credit card processing provider. How's that not a great deal!?
  - concinds 3y ago
    No, that's a separate thing, US-only, and not specific to reader apps.

tpm 3y ago

They can continue to take 30%, but can't stop apps using other subscription methods. > Apple will now have to remove terms that prevent developers telling users about other subscription methods. https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-gets-e1-8b-eu-antitrust-fine-for-abusive-app-terms/ https://www.politico.eu/article/apple-gets-e1-8b-eu-antitrus...

lucianbr 3y ago

When you are fined for speeding, can you then just go on speeding like the speed limit does not apply to you, having paid the fine once? No. Apple is ordered to change their behavior and pay a fine. If they pay the fine but repeat the behavior, they are in for more trouble. The second time around, it would not take years to do the investigation and decide on the fine. It would be really fast. However, what I'm worried is that they may appeal the fine, and get it reduced. This happens sometimes with these fines, actualy feels like most times.

gcanyon 3y ago

I think Spotify can direct users outside of the app for payment? From Apple's response: > Music app developers can even include information about other offers available outside of their app, along with a link directing users to a website to create and manage their account.

hu3 3y ago
Apps can link to external payment methods only if they pay Apple. And there's a bunch of bureaucracy. You have to apply to the program beforehand, follow a bunch of guidelines, implement a bunch of hooks in app code and pray they will approve. See section "Commission, transaction reports, and payments" from: https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitlement-us/ https://developer.apple.com/support/storekit-external-entitl... > Apple’s commission will be 27% on proceeds you earn from sales (“transactions“) to the user for digital goods or services on your website after a link out (i.e., they tap “Continue” on the system disclosure sheet), provided that the sale was initiated within seven days and the digital goods or services can be used in an app. This includes (a) any applicable taxes and (b) any adjustments for refunds, reversals and chargebacks. For auto-renewing subscriptions, (i) a sale initiated, including with a free trial or offer, within seven days after a link out is a transaction; and (ii) each subsequent auto-renewal after the subscription is initiated is also a transaction.
- ncruces 3y ago
  You can either pay Apple 30%, or you can pay Apple 27%… and then negotiate terms with your credit card processing provider. How's that not a great deal!?
- concinds 3y ago
  No, that's a separate thing, US-only, and not specific to reader apps.