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This could actually be done long before Photoshop came along. You would simply mix some paint on a palette to match the person's skin tone, and then paint over

This could actually be done long before Photoshop came along. You would simply mix some paint on a palette to match the person's skin tone, and then paint over the person's clothes to "remove" them.

scarface_74 3y ago
And the average middle schooler could not do that convincingly compared to just uploading an image and a computer making it look convincing.
- Art9681 3y ago
  It is not easier to generate a convincing image. The amount of time it would take to learn how to clip a face, and blend it in Photoshop onto a real image would take less time than learning how to configure an advanced AI workflow to do the face swap, fix the hands, skin, etc. If anything, I would argue what increases devious interest in this topic is the media talking about it as if it was new. Thats a quick way to get a lot of people "involved" on both sides of the debate.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Just doing a little digging on the internet. You can create a free email address, log in to promptchan.ai, upload a picture, select the region of the body you want to unclothe and type “nude”. Yes, I had to do about 5 minutes research on the internet to figure it out. This is the version on the App Store https://apps.apple.com/us/app/promptai-girl-generator/id6469985698 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/promptai-girl-generator/id6469... Because of Apple’s rules, it won’t let you “unclothe” pictures. But the website will. As a 50 year old married dude who never delved into that side of the world (not claiming I’ve never looked at porn though), I didn’t know how convincing it could do it for adults with shadows, skin tones, etc.
  - miohtama 3y ago
    Face swap (or any object swap) is literally built into Photoshop https://www.adobe.com/mena_en/creativecloud/photography/discover/face-swap.html https://www.adobe.com/mena_en/creativecloud/photography/disc...
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Face swap is completely different from what the tools can do, they can match skin tone, shadows the quality and grain of the pictures and “create” nude images from full body pictures. You can do this for free from your phone on at least one website that I’m not going to keep repeating. I had never heard of this world until seeing posts about it on HN and it was just today that I delved into the bowels of the internet to see how well it worked so I could talk intelligently about it.
      - miohtama 3y ago
        I understand your point. However, I am saying, the barrier was already low and the activity was already happening before. It was not a big deal until people smelled AI has a lot money and let's make it a big deal. Just use the existing laws and social norms to punish badly behaving teenagers, no need to invent new AI laws for that.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        You really think the barrier was low to create almost perfectly realistic nudes that matched skin tones when you had to find a nude picture that matched the skin tone, film grain, etc and use photoshop from a computer than it is now when you can just create a free email account, go to a website, upload a picture, select the body part and click “edit”? It was never as easy or happening with the scale or as easy to make it look realistic. Doing that in Photoshop was not something the average middle schooler could do realistically - let alone ok their phone, for free
    - dorkwood 3y ago
      This is an article about pasting one face over the top of another face and using a layer mask to blend it. The only automated parts are the object selection tool, which helps you select the face for copying and pasting, and the match color feature, which helps you match the tone and brightness of the photo you're attempting to blend on top of. I used to do Photoshop image manipulation for work. Performing a convincing face swap with the tools mentioned in your article was difficult unless the light sources, face angles, and focal lengths of the cameras that took the photos happened to match very closely. You could paint in your own lighting if you were very skilled, but it's the sort of thing that took years of practice to get good at, and it still wasn't very convincing most of the time.

This could actually be done long before Photoshop came along. You would simply mix some paint on a palette to match the person's skin tone, and then paint over the person's clothes to "remove" them.

scarface_74 3y ago

And the average middle schooler could not do that convincingly compared to just uploading an image and a computer making it look convincing.

Art9681 3y ago
It is not easier to generate a convincing image. The amount of time it would take to learn how to clip a face, and blend it in Photoshop onto a real image would take less time than learning how to configure an advanced AI workflow to do the face swap, fix the hands, skin, etc. If anything, I would argue what increases devious interest in this topic is the media talking about it as if it was new. Thats a quick way to get a lot of people "involved" on both sides of the debate.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Just doing a little digging on the internet. You can create a free email address, log in to promptchan.ai, upload a picture, select the region of the body you want to unclothe and type “nude”. Yes, I had to do about 5 minutes research on the internet to figure it out. This is the version on the App Store https://apps.apple.com/us/app/promptai-girl-generator/id6469985698 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/promptai-girl-generator/id6469... Because of Apple’s rules, it won’t let you “unclothe” pictures. But the website will. As a 50 year old married dude who never delved into that side of the world (not claiming I’ve never looked at porn though), I didn’t know how convincing it could do it for adults with shadows, skin tones, etc.
- miohtama 3y ago
  Face swap (or any object swap) is literally built into Photoshop https://www.adobe.com/mena_en/creativecloud/photography/discover/face-swap.html https://www.adobe.com/mena_en/creativecloud/photography/disc...
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Face swap is completely different from what the tools can do, they can match skin tone, shadows the quality and grain of the pictures and “create” nude images from full body pictures. You can do this for free from your phone on at least one website that I’m not going to keep repeating. I had never heard of this world until seeing posts about it on HN and it was just today that I delved into the bowels of the internet to see how well it worked so I could talk intelligently about it.
    - miohtama 3y ago
      I understand your point. However, I am saying, the barrier was already low and the activity was already happening before. It was not a big deal until people smelled AI has a lot money and let's make it a big deal. Just use the existing laws and social norms to punish badly behaving teenagers, no need to invent new AI laws for that.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        You really think the barrier was low to create almost perfectly realistic nudes that matched skin tones when you had to find a nude picture that matched the skin tone, film grain, etc and use photoshop from a computer than it is now when you can just create a free email account, go to a website, upload a picture, select the body part and click “edit”? It was never as easy or happening with the scale or as easy to make it look realistic. Doing that in Photoshop was not something the average middle schooler could do realistically - let alone ok their phone, for free
  - dorkwood 3y ago
    This is an article about pasting one face over the top of another face and using a layer mask to blend it. The only automated parts are the object selection tool, which helps you select the face for copying and pasting, and the match color feature, which helps you match the tone and brightness of the photo you're attempting to blend on top of. I used to do Photoshop image manipulation for work. Performing a convincing face swap with the tools mentioned in your article was difficult unless the light sources, face angles, and focal lengths of the cameras that took the photos happened to match very closely. You could paint in your own lighting if you were very skilled, but it's the sort of thing that took years of practice to get good at, and it still wasn't very convincing most of the time.