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Not quite sure what you're "clearing up" there. For me, having owned every Velvet Underground release on vinyl and lost friends to the needle I'm comfortable on

Not quite sure what you're "clearing up" there. For me, having owned every Velvet Underground release on vinyl and lost friends to the needle I'm comfortable on the subject of addiction, metaphorically or literally. Laurie Anderson is quite poetic and intelligent enough to appreciate the face of reification and commodification wrought by techno-consumerism, whether it's selling records or AI apps.

defrost 3y ago
Perhaps then you can clear up what this: > Wherever I see self-loathing and nihilism passed off as an art-form, refers to, and how this: > Because nothing sells quite like the spectacle of self-immolation ties into the content linked. As it stands it appears as though you've just riffed off the word addiction in the title, which naturally leads to pointing out why it was used. That covered, it's like what my painter friend said to me: https://youtu.be/xTlsSXNT2bg?t=203 https://youtu.be/xTlsSXNT2bg?t=203 over to you.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  Guess I'm talking about an "industry" that when they're "done" sticks a fork in the young lives it burns through for its banquet. FWIW I don't think Lou Reed ever set out to glamorise addiction. He lost a lot of good people along the way too. He wrote the reality he saw. Maybe making it to 71... there's a bit of survivor's bias. But when someone talks about "addiction", however folksy and cute their art project, they're talking about human misery and lost life, no?
  - freejazz 3y ago
    Heroin is one of his best songs. What the hell are you talking about already?!?
    - InSteady 3y ago
      Have you listened closely to the lyrics? The song most definitely does not glamorize heroin use. And by all accounts, Lou and the Underground were rather bemused when the media would imply that it did. Also, little known fact, Lou didn't particularly like heroin and didn't use it much at all. He was mostly a speed freak and alcoholic. I won't claim to know what the rest of GPs point is though :)
      - freejazz 3y ago
        I have. Yet its a popular and beautiful song called... Heroin. You'd be foolish if you think Lou wasn't aware that it got plenty of people into it and did have an ultimate effect of glamorizing it in some individuals' eyes. "I'm waiting for the man" is another.
        nonrandomstring 3y ago
        > a popular and beautiful song Also "Perfect Day", some might say is a lullaby to drugs. (Can't believe some comments are just sooooooo tone deaf thanking I'm expressing dislike for these amazing artists rather than criticising the industry that feeds on them).
        hyperdimension 3y ago
        Heh, this appeared right after writing my other comment. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
        freejazz 3y ago
        >(Can't believe some comments are just sooooooo tone deaf thanking I'm expressing dislike for these amazing artists rather than criticising the industry that feeds on them). Because it's an over-dramatization. Lou wrote those songs and put them out for commercial sale. No one made him. They aren't being doubly exploited in his death.
        nonrandomstring 3y ago
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  I think he means he's loathing and immolating himself, and we're supposed to appreciate his artistic nihilism.

defrost 3y ago

Perhaps then you can clear up what this: > Wherever I see self-loathing and nihilism passed off as an art-form, refers to, and how this: > Because nothing sells quite like the spectacle of self-immolation ties into the content linked. As it stands it appears as though you've just riffed off the word addiction in the title, which naturally leads to pointing out why it was used. That covered, it's like what my painter friend said to me: https://youtu.be/xTlsSXNT2bg?t=203 https://youtu.be/xTlsSXNT2bg?t=203 over to you.

nonrandomstring 3y ago
Guess I'm talking about an "industry" that when they're "done" sticks a fork in the young lives it burns through for its banquet. FWIW I don't think Lou Reed ever set out to glamorise addiction. He lost a lot of good people along the way too. He wrote the reality he saw. Maybe making it to 71... there's a bit of survivor's bias. But when someone talks about "addiction", however folksy and cute their art project, they're talking about human misery and lost life, no?
- freejazz 3y ago
  Heroin is one of his best songs. What the hell are you talking about already?!?
  - InSteady 3y ago
    Have you listened closely to the lyrics? The song most definitely does not glamorize heroin use. And by all accounts, Lou and the Underground were rather bemused when the media would imply that it did. Also, little known fact, Lou didn't particularly like heroin and didn't use it much at all. He was mostly a speed freak and alcoholic. I won't claim to know what the rest of GPs point is though :)
    - freejazz 3y ago
      I have. Yet its a popular and beautiful song called... Heroin. You'd be foolish if you think Lou wasn't aware that it got plenty of people into it and did have an ultimate effect of glamorizing it in some individuals' eyes. "I'm waiting for the man" is another.
      - nonrandomstring 3y ago
        > a popular and beautiful song Also "Perfect Day", some might say is a lullaby to drugs. (Can't believe some comments are just sooooooo tone deaf thanking I'm expressing dislike for these amazing artists rather than criticising the industry that feeds on them).
        hyperdimension 3y ago
        Heh, this appeared right after writing my other comment. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
        freejazz 3y ago
        >(Can't believe some comments are just sooooooo tone deaf thanking I'm expressing dislike for these amazing artists rather than criticising the industry that feeds on them). Because it's an over-dramatization. Lou wrote those songs and put them out for commercial sale. No one made him. They aren't being doubly exploited in his death.
        nonrandomstring 3y ago
DonHopkins 3y ago
I think he means he's loathing and immolating himself, and we're supposed to appreciate his artistic nihilism.