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> I'm saying that rationing is inevitable and our thinking about health care systems needs to account for that. I understand there are utopian arguments for he

> I'm saying that rationing is inevitable and our thinking about health care systems needs to account for that. I understand there are utopian arguments for healthcare, but where is the demand to respond to them? I am in no way condemning the individual response to this I'm just earnestly curious where this impulse comes from.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
Because, arguably, vast majority of people - in other words, public opinion, or vast majority of voters - don't understand that healthcare has to ration scarce resources too. Healthcare being a right is a nice, feel-good slogan, but does little to address resource scarcity or system inefficiency.
- swed420 3y ago
  Dismissing basic, reasonable expectations as "feel good slogans" is a smarmy tactic to distract from wealth hoarding. The sky is the limit with what humans can do, but under late stage capitalism, it boils down to the preferences of those who control the system, and nothing more. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/how-asset-managers-have-upended-how-modern-capitalism-works.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/how-asset-managers-h...
  - nradov 3y ago
    Healthcare rationing has historically been even more severe under non-capitalist systems.
    - swed420 3y ago
      Which would be a poor comparison in this context given what the linked article spells out: We already have a centrally planned economy, but it's only for the wealthy.
- DinaCoder99 3y ago
  > Healthcare being a right is a nice, feel-good slogan, but does little to address resource scarcity or system inefficiency. I don't think these are contradictory concepts, nor does this do much to justify the objectively atrocious method we currently use to ration healthcare. Every dime of profit could have gone to healthcare—that's not rationing, that's just unnecessary and easily preventable cruelty.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

Because, arguably, vast majority of people - in other words, public opinion, or vast majority of voters - don't understand that healthcare has to ration scarce resources too. Healthcare being a right is a nice, feel-good slogan, but does little to address resource scarcity or system inefficiency.

swed420 3y ago
Dismissing basic, reasonable expectations as "feel good slogans" is a smarmy tactic to distract from wealth hoarding. The sky is the limit with what humans can do, but under late stage capitalism, it boils down to the preferences of those who control the system, and nothing more. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/how-asset-managers-have-upended-how-modern-capitalism-works.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/how-asset-managers-h...
- nradov 3y ago
  Healthcare rationing has historically been even more severe under non-capitalist systems.
  - swed420 3y ago
    Which would be a poor comparison in this context given what the linked article spells out: We already have a centrally planned economy, but it's only for the wealthy.
DinaCoder99 3y ago
> Healthcare being a right is a nice, feel-good slogan, but does little to address resource scarcity or system inefficiency. I don't think these are contradictory concepts, nor does this do much to justify the objectively atrocious method we currently use to ration healthcare. Every dime of profit could have gone to healthcare—that's not rationing, that's just unnecessary and easily preventable cruelty.