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Exactly. The thing is, most people don’t have any problem with the existence of the police, which is why the “defund” message does not work well in practice. Mo

Exactly. The thing is, most people don’t have any problem with the existence of the police, which is why the “defund” message does not work well in practice. Most people understand that mechanisms to limit crime are useful. The problem is when the role of the police is not to do that, but instead enforce prejudice, harm and harass specific categories of people.

newsclues 3y ago
My understanding is that the goal of defunding the police is to force out the current police and allow for a takeover.
- barry-cotter 3y ago
  > Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...
  - newsclues 3y ago
    I remember that insurrection
- mantas 3y ago
  Takeover by who? Self-appointed anarchist peace keepers?
orwin 3y ago
The issue with police in all western countries is the same. They do a lot of different stuff, often badly. And a management issue in France. We have specialized, anti-riot police that can defuse situations and protect demonstrations. And we have different anti-'crime' police who also get called during demonstration, envenimate the situation half the time and beat people up, break their hand and pierce their eyes. Weirdly, no one from the part of police formed to handle street protests is there. Then come the politic/management part: the men who handle deployments and plans aren't formed either. They're sometimes ex-police (criminal or intervention, Swat-like), but often they're politicians and administrators, and never were on the street. That's how bad elements destroy an institution (a few bad apple rot the whole basket is the English idiom?) : poor formation, poor oversight, poor management let them thrive.
kcplate 3y ago
Two things that I believe would dramatically reform policing in the US. - Eliminate qualified immunity so it’s not the default guiding principle to police interactions - Find ways to identify and weed out the bully personality types that find themselves drawn into the vocation. Zero tolerance policies that immediately eliminate officers who engage in that type of behavior and tactics.

newsclues 3y ago

My understanding is that the goal of defunding the police is to force out the current police and allow for a takeover.

barry-cotter 3y ago
> Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...
- newsclues 3y ago
  I remember that insurrection
mantas 3y ago
Takeover by who? Self-appointed anarchist peace keepers?

orwin 3y ago

The issue with police in all western countries is the same. They do a lot of different stuff, often badly. And a management issue in France. We have specialized, anti-riot police that can defuse situations and protect demonstrations. And we have different anti-'crime' police who also get called during demonstration, envenimate the situation half the time and beat people up, break their hand and pierce their eyes. Weirdly, no one from the part of police formed to handle street protests is there. Then come the politic/management part: the men who handle deployments and plans aren't formed either. They're sometimes ex-police (criminal or intervention, Swat-like), but often they're politicians and administrators, and never were on the street. That's how bad elements destroy an institution (a few bad apple rot the whole basket is the English idiom?) : poor formation, poor oversight, poor management let them thrive.

kcplate 3y ago

Two things that I believe would dramatically reform policing in the US. - Eliminate qualified immunity so it’s not the default guiding principle to police interactions - Find ways to identify and weed out the bully personality types that find themselves drawn into the vocation. Zero tolerance policies that immediately eliminate officers who engage in that type of behavior and tactics.