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Call me old fashjioned but what is wrong with django and htmx? Works beautifully and fast, send only rendered code to the front. Have db admin for when you sca

Call me old fashjioned but what is wrong with django and htmx? Works beautifully and fast, send only rendered code to the front. Have db admin for when you scale

pjerem 3y ago
I'm currently writing an app with Django. It's such a breeze. Everything just works and I only have to think about the problem I want to solve. The documentation is as fantastic as it was 10-15 years ago. I'm not even really fan of Python and I really miss static typing (renaming things is painful) but oh well, I'm so productive with it that I can live with this. Honestly, I think it's the only framework that I've ever used (never tried RoR though) which allows total flexibility while never bothering you with technical thoughts. It's still as shitty to deploy as it was a decade ago but now we have containers so who cares. I'm writing this app during a pause in my career (mainly frontend) after a burnout and it's reigniting my love for writing web apps.
- AlchemistCamp 3y ago
  I don't like Django as much as Phoenix (or Rails for that matter), but I'd take it over a Node-based backend any day of the week.
  - pjerem 3y ago
    Phoenix looks really cool too but I’d have to learn Elixir and while that’s something I want to do (already started some years ago), my main prerequisite for this project was not to struggle and going comfy. Building something out of my hand with no roadblocks was more important to me than to learn something new.
    - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
      It's a very simple language. I've worked on half a dozen projects where I helped an experienced dev new to Elixir ramp up to 80%-90% productivity within a few days. Learning Phoenix (and a few other libraries like Ecto and now LiveView) is what would eat up your time. Phoenix used to be very easy for Rails/Django/Laravel devs to pick up a few years ago, but now that LiveView is thoroughly built-in and Phoenix.View has been replaced by Phoenix.Component, it's much less familiar to those learners.
- maronato 3y ago
  Django is truly amazing. It’s as you said - you don’t have to think about anything else other than the business problem. Authentication, session, databases, RBAC, everything is handled for you. Unfortunately, if you want to use react, it usually means you’ll write APIs that are consumed by a browser-rendered app. The holy grail for me would be a Django backend that renders react on the server. A Django nextjs.
  - pjerem 3y ago
    There is Django Unicorn. Never used it so I don’t know what it’s worth.
- MyFirstSass 3y ago
  I've been a Laravel guy mostly, but tried Flask for a project last year, and it was so incredibly easy to get up and running. Still not really sure how the two compare, but there was just something about the extremely tried and battletested code. Nothing got in my way, the code told you what it did, it was fast etc.
  - rolisz 3y ago
    Recently tried Flask for a project started by someone else, made me want to run to FastAPI right away.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    Flask is the hard one to get up and running alternative, where you must look at every detail, that lets you create an application exactly as weird as you need. The fact that you found it so simple coming from another framework speaks loudly about your previous one. But they do compare in that Django is the easy one to start where most choices are already done for you.
semiquaver 3y ago
> old fashjioned > htmx Htmx went 1.0 a little over three years ago. Is it really something you can call old fashioned?
- gscho 3y ago
  The concepts that htmx has been built on have been around forever. Maybe that’s what they meant.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  It’s a figure of speech. Not literal.
4m1rk 3y ago
Actually, FastUI is repeating the same thing. It's cool but don't we get the same thing if we return HTML instead of JSON, combined with HTMX? We rely on the browser and battle-tested Django forms. No need to invent the wheel.

Call me old fashjioned but what is wrong with django and htmx? Works beautifully and fast, send only rendered code to the front. Have db admin for when you scale

pjerem 3y ago

I'm currently writing an app with Django. It's such a breeze. Everything just works and I only have to think about the problem I want to solve. The documentation is as fantastic as it was 10-15 years ago. I'm not even really fan of Python and I really miss static typing (renaming things is painful) but oh well, I'm so productive with it that I can live with this. Honestly, I think it's the only framework that I've ever used (never tried RoR though) which allows total flexibility while never bothering you with technical thoughts. It's still as shitty to deploy as it was a decade ago but now we have containers so who cares. I'm writing this app during a pause in my career (mainly frontend) after a burnout and it's reigniting my love for writing web apps.

AlchemistCamp 3y ago
I don't like Django as much as Phoenix (or Rails for that matter), but I'd take it over a Node-based backend any day of the week.
- pjerem 3y ago
  Phoenix looks really cool too but I’d have to learn Elixir and while that’s something I want to do (already started some years ago), my main prerequisite for this project was not to struggle and going comfy. Building something out of my hand with no roadblocks was more important to me than to learn something new.
  - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
    It's a very simple language. I've worked on half a dozen projects where I helped an experienced dev new to Elixir ramp up to 80%-90% productivity within a few days. Learning Phoenix (and a few other libraries like Ecto and now LiveView) is what would eat up your time. Phoenix used to be very easy for Rails/Django/Laravel devs to pick up a few years ago, but now that LiveView is thoroughly built-in and Phoenix.View has been replaced by Phoenix.Component, it's much less familiar to those learners.
maronato 3y ago
Django is truly amazing. It’s as you said - you don’t have to think about anything else other than the business problem. Authentication, session, databases, RBAC, everything is handled for you. Unfortunately, if you want to use react, it usually means you’ll write APIs that are consumed by a browser-rendered app. The holy grail for me would be a Django backend that renders react on the server. A Django nextjs.
- pjerem 3y ago
  There is Django Unicorn. Never used it so I don’t know what it’s worth.
MyFirstSass 3y ago
I've been a Laravel guy mostly, but tried Flask for a project last year, and it was so incredibly easy to get up and running. Still not really sure how the two compare, but there was just something about the extremely tried and battletested code. Nothing got in my way, the code told you what it did, it was fast etc.
- rolisz 3y ago
  Recently tried Flask for a project started by someone else, made me want to run to FastAPI right away.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  Flask is the hard one to get up and running alternative, where you must look at every detail, that lets you create an application exactly as weird as you need. The fact that you found it so simple coming from another framework speaks loudly about your previous one. But they do compare in that Django is the easy one to start where most choices are already done for you.

semiquaver 3y ago

> old fashjioned > htmx Htmx went 1.0 a little over three years ago. Is it really something you can call old fashioned?

gscho 3y ago
The concepts that htmx has been built on have been around forever. Maybe that’s what they meant.
mock-possum 3y ago
It’s a figure of speech. Not literal.

4m1rk 3y ago

Actually, FastUI is repeating the same thing. It's cool but don't we get the same thing if we return HTML instead of JSON, combined with HTMX? We rely on the browser and battle-tested Django forms. No need to invent the wheel.