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Developing countries receive aid for geopolitical reasons, not to actually help them out. The IMF gives contradictory advice that doesn't help. China, Korea, J

Developing countries receive aid for geopolitical reasons, not to actually help them out. The IMF gives contradictory advice that doesn't help. China, Korea, Japan etc all ignored IMF advice and see where that got them. >In other words, solutions to the scarcity problems you describe in less developed countries appear to me to be primarily political, not economic. Uhm, that was the entire point of the paper. There is material abundance but no access. Also, you can project the hoarding behaviour onto the corrupt cronies so that objection doesn't go against the paper but is in support of it.

pdonis 3y ago
> Developing countries receive aid for geopolitical reasons The point isn't why those countries agree to receive aid, it's why there is political support in developed countries for sending it. If the paper's hypothetical were true, that people in developed countries prefer to increase their own personal happiness instead of helping others, the aid would never be sent because voters in developed countries would never support it. > There is material abundance but no access. The paper doesn't just make this factual claim (well, it's sort of factual--talk about "access" already presupposes particular ideological views, but let that pass). It makes an additional claim about why this is true. I don't think that additional claim is true (see above and my other post upthread in response to the author). > you can project the hoarding behaviour onto the corrupt cronies The "hoarding behavior" that the paper claims is not the behavior of the corrupt cronies in the countries receiving aid, it's the behavior of the people in the countries that are sending aid. And that claim about "hoarding behavior" is wrong, as I've already posted elsewhere in this discussion.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  At the macro scale they are the same thing The failure of direct aid as described is entirely inclusive of all actors priorities involved. There is no true global cooperative desire to solve these problems so it doesn’t happen, and these signaling actions - which is what they are - are known to be ineffective. CFCs and Polio were eradicated. For all its flaws were pulled together to get through COVID. We can actually do stuff we want to do at global scale when we really want to Go read the book on medicins san frontiers to get a closer look at the massive differences in what the “Aid” community does versus they claim to do The fear of scarcity and all its downstream effects of hoarding and individualism
  - pdonis 3y ago
    > There is no true global cooperative desire to solve these problems so it doesn’t happen If we include the corrupt governments of the countries where people are poor and starving in "global", yes, this is true. I'm not sure "fear of scarcity" is a good description of why those corrupt governments don't have this "cooperative desire", though. > these signaling actions - which is what they are - are known to be ineffective Here we agree, yes.

pdonis 3y ago

> Developing countries receive aid for geopolitical reasons The point isn't why those countries agree to receive aid, it's why there is political support in developed countries for sending it. If the paper's hypothetical were true, that people in developed countries prefer to increase their own personal happiness instead of helping others, the aid would never be sent because voters in developed countries would never support it. > There is material abundance but no access. The paper doesn't just make this factual claim (well, it's sort of factual--talk about "access" already presupposes particular ideological views, but let that pass). It makes an additional claim about why this is true. I don't think that additional claim is true (see above and my other post upthread in response to the author). > you can project the hoarding behaviour onto the corrupt cronies The "hoarding behavior" that the paper claims is not the behavior of the corrupt cronies in the countries receiving aid, it's the behavior of the people in the countries that are sending aid. And that claim about "hoarding behavior" is wrong, as I've already posted elsewhere in this discussion.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
At the macro scale they are the same thing The failure of direct aid as described is entirely inclusive of all actors priorities involved. There is no true global cooperative desire to solve these problems so it doesn’t happen, and these signaling actions - which is what they are - are known to be ineffective. CFCs and Polio were eradicated. For all its flaws were pulled together to get through COVID. We can actually do stuff we want to do at global scale when we really want to Go read the book on medicins san frontiers to get a closer look at the massive differences in what the “Aid” community does versus they claim to do The fear of scarcity and all its downstream effects of hoarding and individualism
- pdonis 3y ago
  > There is no true global cooperative desire to solve these problems so it doesn’t happen If we include the corrupt governments of the countries where people are poor and starving in "global", yes, this is true. I'm not sure "fear of scarcity" is a good description of why those corrupt governments don't have this "cooperative desire", though. > these signaling actions - which is what they are - are known to be ineffective Here we agree, yes.