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How will waymo help with something like the super bowl? It's going to be overcapacity too.

by bagels 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> How will waymo help with something like the super bowl? It will commit to the ride and not cancel.
- deleted 3y ago
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- alistairSH 3y ago
  Only if it’s coded that way. And a profit-seeking org may not code it that way if the optimal solution (for them) is canceling and finding more lucrative passengers.
  - bastawhiz 3y ago
    A profit seeking org wouldn't take the ride in the first place instead of repeatedly accepting and cancelling. Or it would simply increase the price because it implicitly knows the value.
    - alistairSH 3y ago
      And yet Uber allows drivers to cancel, which has the same impact as an AI cancelling.
  - xw390111 3y ago
    If they want me to take a ride tomorrow, they won't cancel on me today.
SeanAnderson 3y ago
Waymo said it would take 30 minutes to arrive, but would've arrived in 30 minutes. I can plan around that.
ugh123 3y ago
> How will waymo help with something like the super bowl? It's going to be overcapacity too. Ability to scale the amount of Waymo cars to an area is immensely easier than scaling the amount of Uber/Lyft drivers available and willing to go to said area.
- nradov 3y ago
  Nope. Cars are expensive. Waymo won't keep a bunch of extras sitting around just so that they have reserve capacity to scale up service during unusually busy events. It's more profitable just to make customers wait, or ask them to pay a higher fare for priority service.
  - bigyikes 3y ago
    Cars are extremely cheap compared to their drivers.
    - aetherson 3y ago
      I don't think that Waymo cars are.
      - xw390111 3y ago
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/johanmoreno/2021/01/22/waymo-ceo-says-tesla-is-not-a-competitor-gives-estimated-cost-of-autonomous-vehicles/?sh=71f9dbee541b https://www.forbes.com/sites/johanmoreno/2021/01/22/waymo-ce... "Krafcik made the point, as some analysts predict autonomous vehicle technology will be too expensive to adopt en masse. Waymo uses LiDAR sensors in its vehicles, which previously retailed for as much as $75,000. In 2019, Krafcik signaled that its Honeycomb LiDAR units now cost around $7,500." And price is only going to come down over time.
      - fragmede 3y ago
        Let's say the Waymo cars are $1 million each, which is probably high, given than a fully loaded i-Pace is $80k, which still leaves $920,000 for Google/Waymo devices and software costs to get to $1 million. Given the estimate for a human life at $7.4 million[1], I think they are. [1]https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-valuation https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-v...

How will waymo help with something like the super bowl? It's going to be overcapacity too.

by bagels 3y ago

How will waymo help with something like the super bowl? It's going to be overcapacity too.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> How will waymo help with something like the super bowl? It will commit to the ride and not cancel.

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alistairSH 3y ago
Only if it’s coded that way. And a profit-seeking org may not code it that way if the optimal solution (for them) is canceling and finding more lucrative passengers.
- bastawhiz 3y ago
  A profit seeking org wouldn't take the ride in the first place instead of repeatedly accepting and cancelling. Or it would simply increase the price because it implicitly knows the value.
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    And yet Uber allows drivers to cancel, which has the same impact as an AI cancelling.
- xw390111 3y ago
  If they want me to take a ride tomorrow, they won't cancel on me today.

SeanAnderson 3y ago

Waymo said it would take 30 minutes to arrive, but would've arrived in 30 minutes. I can plan around that.

ugh123 3y ago

> How will waymo help with something like the super bowl? It's going to be overcapacity too. Ability to scale the amount of Waymo cars to an area is immensely easier than scaling the amount of Uber/Lyft drivers available and willing to go to said area.

nradov 3y ago
Nope. Cars are expensive. Waymo won't keep a bunch of extras sitting around just so that they have reserve capacity to scale up service during unusually busy events. It's more profitable just to make customers wait, or ask them to pay a higher fare for priority service.
- bigyikes 3y ago
  Cars are extremely cheap compared to their drivers.
  - aetherson 3y ago
    I don't think that Waymo cars are.
    - xw390111 3y ago
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/johanmoreno/2021/01/22/waymo-ceo-says-tesla-is-not-a-competitor-gives-estimated-cost-of-autonomous-vehicles/?sh=71f9dbee541b https://www.forbes.com/sites/johanmoreno/2021/01/22/waymo-ce... "Krafcik made the point, as some analysts predict autonomous vehicle technology will be too expensive to adopt en masse. Waymo uses LiDAR sensors in its vehicles, which previously retailed for as much as $75,000. In 2019, Krafcik signaled that its Honeycomb LiDAR units now cost around $7,500." And price is only going to come down over time.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      Let's say the Waymo cars are $1 million each, which is probably high, given than a fully loaded i-Pace is $80k, which still leaves $920,000 for Google/Waymo devices and software costs to get to $1 million. Given the estimate for a human life at $7.4 million[1], I think they are. [1]https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-valuation https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-v...