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Having a car to yourself is honestly just way better, maybe I'm just antisocial Like I will easily pay a premium to have self-driving most of the time. I can p

Having a car to yourself is honestly just way better, maybe I'm just antisocial Like I will easily pay a premium to have self-driving most of the time. I can play my music on the speakers, I can work more comfortably in the car, etc. etc. Also, I find Uber drivers are pretty bad drivers often - comparative advantage

wnc3141 3y ago
The incentive to race through traffic is felt from the back seat in my experience
dangus 3y ago
Owning a car yourself is the most costly option, so I would hope that it is the “best.” Purchase price, depreciation, maintenance, insurance, fuel. Edit: to be clear I’m putting “best” in quotes because personal car ownership is pretty terrible in terms of value.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  You can't park your own car at the airport safely and economically for a two week trip.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    yeah, That's the only time I really consider Uber, when doing long term travel and parking costs/risks outweigh the cost of a taxi.
- andrewprock 3y ago
  If you pay a lot for parking or don't use the car much this tracks. But if you have the volume, then owning a car is cheaper. An affordable mid size car costs roughly $6k per year total cost for a new car, and about 2/3 that for a used car. If you commute daily to work, that is 500 trips per year. Two weekend trips adds another 100 per year. Now we are talking about ~$10/trip if you own your car. When you add the premium value you get from flexibility, then it's an even better deal. If you only drive 50x a year then yeah, just use services.
  - rufus_foreman 3y ago
    >> An affordable mid size car costs roughly $6k per year Show your math.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      Really? do you want to see every little receipt from the GP? I'll give a rough cost with my small sedan pre-pandemic - Gas every 2 weeks (30 mile commute to work), fillin up the car is about $60. so $120 for gas. 120/month is 1440/year - DMV costs are $150 a year - car wash every few months. Let's make it monthly and more expensive than my actual washes. $50/month, 600 a year - oil change every 3 months or so (probably less, but let's be conservative here). $70/quarter, 280/year. - occasional repairs due to being an old car. sporadic, but let's throw in maybe $300 a year total. - Finally, $100/month for insurance. $1200/Year. so, ~4000/year. Given that that was a daily commute along with other short travel, it's cheaper than the idea of relying on taxis. Even if it was as cheap as $10/ride, it'd cost $4800/year to get to work alone. For my commute, it'd be more like $40-50/ride. Not even close. ofc the rub here is that these are the costs for a paid off car, so if you don't own a car you need to factor in car payments, or the one time cost grabbing a used car. I grabbed my car for $5k before the car market (and every other market) went to hell, so it still very quickly paid for itself.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        It's all down to miles per year, a new car should last 100k miles "without major repairs" and if you drive 10k miles a year (whatever, if it's more it's more in favor of the owner) a car should last at least 10 years. A new car is $40k, a 10 year old car seems to go for about $10k, so say $3k a year. So with a brand new car, still getting "around" that $6-7k a year. Or to put it another way - at some point it HAS to be cheaper to own, because someone owns the car that is driving you around!
      - Solvency 3y ago
        I bought a 2022 vehicle and my annual registration is $600.
      - 3y ago
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Owning a car yourself is the most costly option, so I would hope that it is the “best.” I drove a car into San Francisco once. Never again. Not having to worry about parking, being able to nap or work en route, not having to get stressed by traffic, etc. Massive improvement in QOL.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  owning a car in sf is miserable, i lasted 1 year
deprecative 3y ago
It's pedantic to most, I'm sure. Just FYI, though, antisocial is to be opposed to society - like Timothy McVeigh. Asocial is probably what you're looking for.
- skyyler 3y ago
  To be extra pedantic, I believe you meant Ted Kaczynski. Timothy McVeigh was trying to make the US government pay for specific things it did to "his people"; Ted Kaczynski was lashing out at the industrialised world after living in isolation in his cabin in the woods.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    IMO, Anti-social is defined in context of and from the perspective of the dominant social structure. Both individuals and groups who are in opposition and sufficiently disruptive are anti-social, hence the distinction. Asocial = a loner Anti-social = against society, either as an individual or group.
- lolinder 3y ago
  You're not just being pedantic, you're also wrong [0][1][2][3]. Their usage is 100% standard and is encoded in every dictionary I can find, and etymonline lists it as the original definition dating back to 1797 [4], with "hostile to social order or norms" first recorded a few years later. [0] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/antisocial https://www.dictionary.com/browse/antisocial [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antisocial https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antisocial [2] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antisocial https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antisoci... [3] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/antisocial https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/anti... [4] https://www.etymonline.com/word/antisocial https://www.etymonline.com/word/antisocial
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    Usage seems different between US and UK. I didn't understand ASBOs at first since I thought "what's wrong with teens wanting some alone time?"
aledalgrande 3y ago
> Like I will easily pay a premium which would probably be the same as Uber after tip

wnc3141 3y ago

The incentive to race through traffic is felt from the back seat in my experience

dangus 3y ago

Owning a car yourself is the most costly option, so I would hope that it is the “best.” Purchase price, depreciation, maintenance, insurance, fuel. Edit: to be clear I’m putting “best” in quotes because personal car ownership is pretty terrible in terms of value.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
You can't park your own car at the airport safely and economically for a two week trip.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  yeah, That's the only time I really consider Uber, when doing long term travel and parking costs/risks outweigh the cost of a taxi.
andrewprock 3y ago
If you pay a lot for parking or don't use the car much this tracks. But if you have the volume, then owning a car is cheaper. An affordable mid size car costs roughly $6k per year total cost for a new car, and about 2/3 that for a used car. If you commute daily to work, that is 500 trips per year. Two weekend trips adds another 100 per year. Now we are talking about ~$10/trip if you own your car. When you add the premium value you get from flexibility, then it's an even better deal. If you only drive 50x a year then yeah, just use services.
- rufus_foreman 3y ago
  >> An affordable mid size car costs roughly $6k per year Show your math.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    Really? do you want to see every little receipt from the GP? I'll give a rough cost with my small sedan pre-pandemic - Gas every 2 weeks (30 mile commute to work), fillin up the car is about $60. so $120 for gas. 120/month is 1440/year - DMV costs are $150 a year - car wash every few months. Let's make it monthly and more expensive than my actual washes. $50/month, 600 a year - oil change every 3 months or so (probably less, but let's be conservative here). $70/quarter, 280/year. - occasional repairs due to being an old car. sporadic, but let's throw in maybe $300 a year total. - Finally, $100/month for insurance. $1200/Year. so, ~4000/year. Given that that was a daily commute along with other short travel, it's cheaper than the idea of relying on taxis. Even if it was as cheap as $10/ride, it'd cost $4800/year to get to work alone. For my commute, it'd be more like $40-50/ride. Not even close. ofc the rub here is that these are the costs for a paid off car, so if you don't own a car you need to factor in car payments, or the one time cost grabbing a used car. I grabbed my car for $5k before the car market (and every other market) went to hell, so it still very quickly paid for itself.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      It's all down to miles per year, a new car should last 100k miles "without major repairs" and if you drive 10k miles a year (whatever, if it's more it's more in favor of the owner) a car should last at least 10 years. A new car is $40k, a 10 year old car seems to go for about $10k, so say $3k a year. So with a brand new car, still getting "around" that $6-7k a year. Or to put it another way - at some point it HAS to be cheaper to own, because someone owns the car that is driving you around!
    - Solvency 3y ago
      I bought a 2022 vehicle and my annual registration is $600.
    - 3y ago
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Owning a car yourself is the most costly option, so I would hope that it is the “best.” I drove a car into San Francisco once. Never again. Not having to worry about parking, being able to nap or work en route, not having to get stressed by traffic, etc. Massive improvement in QOL.
whimsicalism 3y ago
owning a car in sf is miserable, i lasted 1 year

deprecative 3y ago

It's pedantic to most, I'm sure. Just FYI, though, antisocial is to be opposed to society - like Timothy McVeigh. Asocial is probably what you're looking for.

skyyler 3y ago
To be extra pedantic, I believe you meant Ted Kaczynski. Timothy McVeigh was trying to make the US government pay for specific things it did to "his people"; Ted Kaczynski was lashing out at the industrialised world after living in isolation in his cabin in the woods.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  IMO, Anti-social is defined in context of and from the perspective of the dominant social structure. Both individuals and groups who are in opposition and sufficiently disruptive are anti-social, hence the distinction. Asocial = a loner Anti-social = against society, either as an individual or group.
lolinder 3y ago
You're not just being pedantic, you're also wrong [0][1][2][3]. Their usage is 100% standard and is encoded in every dictionary I can find, and etymonline lists it as the original definition dating back to 1797 [4], with "hostile to social order or norms" first recorded a few years later. [0] https://www.dictionary.com/browse/antisocial https://www.dictionary.com/browse/antisocial [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antisocial https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antisocial [2] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antisocial https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antisoci... [3] https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/antisocial https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/anti... [4] https://www.etymonline.com/word/antisocial https://www.etymonline.com/word/antisocial
- CalRobert 3y ago
  Usage seems different between US and UK. I didn't understand ASBOs at first since I thought "what's wrong with teens wanting some alone time?"

aledalgrande 3y ago

> Like I will easily pay a premium which would probably be the same as Uber after tip